Week 5 - Low Carb Bootcamp - the end of the first half

[BIWI]

Morning all.

A very early start to this week's chat thread, as I'm 8 hours ahead of the UK right now.

Here's the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness one more time

Hopefully by now, low carbing is starting to become a habit rather than a hardship. We're out of the dreaded weeks 4 & 4, so for those who haven't seen much movement on the scales, things should start to get going again now (although don't expect to see huge losses from here on - around 1-2lbs a week is a normal and healthy rate of loss)

For those who aren't seeing any movement in the bathroom make sure you're eating plenty of fat - see how you can find ways to add more fat to your diet. Similarly water. And look at what you're eating, and be sure that you're getting your carbs in the main from veg and salad.

I have noticed that there's a fair bit of slippage cheating starting to creep in, and I'm calling you all on that! Remember that this isn't an especially forgiving way of eating, and if you cheat, you won't lose!

But good luck for the rest of the week

Sorry for the multiple posts, I'm catching up with the thread between races at school sports day and bricking it about the mum's race.

CerealKiller the worst thing is when your child comes home from school after they've had their government-mandated lessons in healthy eating. And it's only going to get worse with this ridiculous 100-calorie snack concept. I did baby-led-weaning with my two youngest and they could hold and eat a lamb chop or chicken drumstick or "broccoli tree" by the time they were nine months! I don't think it's setting them up to fail, it's giving them a good start. Diet is massively based on habit as well. My kids never get dessert so they're unlikely to start expecting it when they're older. They'll probably like to have it when out for a special meal but it won't be an essential. My FIL is an insulin-dependent type 2 diabetic on the maximum dose of insulin but he will not give up dessert and when it's his birthday he has to have dessert as well as birthday cake. I'm sure that's all just habit. Potato is about 20% carbohydrate so not necessarily that bad for a growing baby.

Time a LCHF diet for a metabolically healthy, normal weight, growing child would be broadly similar to Bootcamp but I would freely allow fruits and vegetables while perhaps limiting the tropical fruit which are very high in sugar. I would probably leave in white rice in small portions as well. That said, as I mentioned in a previous post, my kids are fussy eaters so they still have bread and pasta. And you can be more relaxed about e.g. school lunches, birthday parties etc. if your children are eating healthily otherwise.

Jimmy poor sleep can stop weight loss in its tracks. KOKO and I try and address the sleep quality of you can. I take magnesium glycinate capsules and they practically knock me out at night and I sleep very soundly. Might be worth a try?

Qumquat there's a great group on Facebook called Mealtime Hostage - The Group which uses the Division of Responsibility Model to support resistant and selective eaters.

I never really believed that not eating enough stopped you losing weight but I will make a huge effort to eat more, increase the fat and koko.
Seafour trust me it absolutely can stop you losing weight. I achieved my target weight while eating 1800 calories a day. In my professional role as a diet coach I don't like to see any of my clients eating fewer than 1400 calories a day. You know by now that it isn't just about the calories. You need to create the right hormonal environment. You're convincing your brain that there's plenty of food around so it can happily let go of that stored fat.

Turbulent waters ahead, I have a barrister party up in London to go to.

Prosecco will flow. The food last year for veggies was vile vegan shit with quinoa. The worst thing about the increase in vegans is that vegetarian food is now almost always lumped in as vegan and "super healthy" (aka rank).

I need to take snacks or I will end up falling into chips on the way home (and get hammered). But surreptitious snacks or it looks rude.

Thanks, Stunt and CerealKiller - that's really interesting to know. I don't have children, yet, (and may never not, I'll come to you on that in a couple of years) but I spend my lunchtimes with children and it got me wondering, especially since another staff member watched the Truth about Carbs last week and was gobsmacked by the amount of 'sugar' in things, so we've been taking a greater interest in the range of food the kids come in with.

Empathise MrsBert. We're off to see Ed Sheeran with hospitality tomorrow - thanks DB - except the free-flowing drinks are going to play havoc!

Prosecco/champers is quite low carb isn't it? Has anyone else tried the really low carb rose wine that Sainsburys are doing? Not sure if I missed an earlier chat on it. It's really nice

I'm another one just not hungry .can go all day I have found. then just a little meat and veg and oil in the evenings (and not that bothered about finishing that even) . I cooked a chicken on Monday and still haven't finished it ( it will have to go in bin now I think) . However, I am still 'taking' 2 teaspoon of olive oil in the mornings and think that really helps .I only drink (real) black coffee in the mornings and cant bear it with anything in .

am drinking lots of water though and I am definitely losing inches even if not pounds.. (although I was 13.5lbs down last WI , Yay!!)

My 38E bras which were getting too tight have now been replaced by 36E and they are really comfortable. Ive also lost nearly all of my tummy 'apron' (that's a nice image , eh? ) .. and my skin ( which tends to be dry) is fantastic.

This is also really great because I am on holiday next week ( so wont be able to WI for 3 weeks BIWI but please dont take me off the spreadsheet.). and was depressed before about not being able to fit into last years holiday stuff (I can now ) .. and I will be wearing a bikini even though I am 60 ..and just dont care

Good afternoon all, I had a lovely NSV today, I was getting my hair done and when my hairdresser raised my chair higher it didn't drop down
Usually when she forgets and pumps it up it plummets right down leaving her and me glossing over it and embarrassed but today it waited up.
It's nice to feel positive because today I'm starting blood pressure tablets which is a blow to me.

stunt you're a mine of info too, thanks for sharing.

For those not losing weight but inches...try on the once too tight rings that are rolling about your jewellery box! All of mine fit now. Some that were too tight on my ring finger, now fit my middle finger. 💍

Stunt thank you, I'm taking on board what you're saying. I will give it a week of eating more and hopefully the scales will move. Yesterday evening was a classic example of my disordered eating, DH was out and I had planned a venison stir fry if it hadn't been for bc I wouldn't have eaten anything at all but I made the effort and did cook and eat.

I calculated my calorie intake this week and it averages at 850 calories per day even with my bpc and creamy coffee.

Today my food looks like this:

B creamy coffee, half an avocado with two hard boiled eggs & lots of butter
L two rashers of streaky bacon, half an avocado with mayo, stick of celery with blue cheese
S bpc
D venison stir fry made with lots of oil and buttered greens.

I haven't calculated the calories but this is loads more than a normal day. I already feel stuffed to the gunnels but I will force it down just for my bc buddies.

Seafour is taking one for the team

@StuntNun

have you watched the truth about carbs? re low carb and diabetes, that is what is shown there. i dont know if there have been clinical trials though. it makes sense that lc would improve diabetes as it is essentially a problem with insulin that lc fixes by eliminating it.

i have read lots of doctors recommend lc for diabetes outside guidelines as they see results.

Well done seafour it's hard going against the grain of what your body is telling you but from all accounts it does sound like you're eating too little at 850 calories.
Mind you that's approx what the blood sugar diet recommends. I did it for 3 weeks and dropped loads but had to use protein shakes for some meals as I found sticking to 800 calories too difficult. It was a great kick start and gave me the time to reflect on how I was going to lose weight but I wouldnt have lasted 8 weeks on it. Whereas on HFLC I feel like I can do this long term.
I'll be watching this space to see how you get on and crossing fingers for you.
What is the wedding outfit like, do you like it?

@StuntNun

um i never said that BLW was setting kids up to fail. i was talking about introducing carbs to children as the world is so full of them.

Carbs also aren't bad for everyone, we eat way too many and way to much processed carbs. by setting them up to fail i mean if i send my son to school with sausage, cheese and an egg and all his friends have a kitkat, crisps, a sarnie and a fruit shoot, he is likely going to want the same thing.

i agree with you that setting up a child in early life without lots of sugar and carbs should i hope mean they may develop less of a taste for those things later on but i also don't want be seen to be depriving him of those things in case they become 'forbidden fruit' as i have seen on mn sometimes.

of course all this depends on lots of things which i don't know, i can only do as i see fit when these issues eventually arise. :)

@StuntNun

(i too am catching up with you)

interesting about your kids, dont know there ages but do you find they are interested in sweet thing yet? do they know about them?

i think we agree on everything. yes i know potato is the better of the beige carbs, its also much less processed which appeals to me. i dont intend not to give my little one i just found it odd that my oh kept bringing it up

i was also about his assumptions about weaning generally which seemed very old fashioned, lots of sweet stuff, pureed fruit, spooned foods and potato. he also cant get into his head that i wont be stopping breast feeding when we wean AS BABIES STILL NEED MILK AFTER THAT! im pretty sure i didnt assume any of this stuff even before learning about BLW...

Sorry everyone this is becoming quite BLW heavy :) lo will be 6 months just after BC ends so we are preparing.

Sorry for the confusion Cereal I clearly shouldn't try and combine sports day with Mumsnet! I was replying to several of your posts so I was trying to describe blw with low carb and answering your question as to whether weaning on to low carb was setting the child up to fail because we live in a world of carbs. So just to clarify I think it's great that your planning to wean on to eggs and meat. My DM is a health visitor and she's been saying for years that babies need meat because they need calories and iron whereas most parents start with puréed veggies. And I don't think it's setting the child up to fail by weaning on to low carb, rather it's giving them a great start even if the carbs creep in later on. My youngest is three years old and he will have a chicken leg for breakfast over toast or cereal any day. We have to cook extra chicken legs and keep a stash in the fridge for him!

ive been rushing round most of the day and found myself in boots, starving!!

the one thing i could find to eat is roast chicken chunks. everything else had quenoa, or pasta or rice or bread or was fruit. pleeeese can the enlightenment come!!!

im waiting for the day when you can go to the 'health' section and buy fat bomb salads or cheese crisps or whole nut granola. could you imagine what the scientists will come up with once it is acceptable!!

@StuntNun

i does sound like we agree on everything. would love to wean low carb but not sure its possible with oh being a carb a holic though. i think i maybe getting him on board though as he just went for a physical and his cholesterol has gone down since we started living together, when the pharmacist asked how, he blamed me :)

Sorry for so many posts, i have one hand free while breastfeeding/holding sleeping baby and not much else to do:)

Right, off to my meeting followed by pissup (ahem, evening of professional networking and gladhanding to you) with a packet of almonds and a box of chopped hb egg with spinach and boursin . Wish me low carb luck!

Right, off to my meeting followed by pissup (ahem, evening of professional networking and gladhanding to you) with a packet of almonds and a box of chopped hb egg with spinach and boursin . Wish me low carb luck!

@Iamnotacerealkiller - my diabetic consultant is one of those enlightened doctors (so many still follow the old EatWell guidelines) and it makes such a difference. I'm T1 insulin-dependent and when I started with him I was querying the NHS advice I'd had before (I wasn't popular at the old clinic for being a bit of a subversive) and he was the one who encouraged me to go low-carb. It was a revelation, and I started seeing results almost immediately. I actually look forward to seeing him every four months or so now, and he uses my case notes in his teaching as an example of what can be achieved with low-carbing. I'm very happy to be spreading the word, in whatever way I can and hope that we soon see a radical overhaul of the advice we get on healthy eating.

Oh, and good luck @MrsBert

@Abbey44

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Abbey44 you look awesome. Very trim & trendy!

I’m still catching up on thread.

lovelycupofteas I’m the same. I’m actually a lb or 3 heavier than the start of bc. This is my second bc. Lost slow and steady on the first one, lost in between bcs, about another 3lb. But this bc. Gaining.

I’m carrying on because I generally feel better without spiking insulin.

In regards to sausages. I find the gluten free varieties and best off ranges the lowest in carbs. About 1g per 100g.

Keep on kokoing. I’m sure it will come off .... eventually.

Just wanted to say I am loving this woe. Absolutely wish I'd done it years ago instead of long miserable 1200 cals per day diets. I've had creamy coffees and full fat yoghurt every day, salmon with butter sauce and still have lost 6lbs. I feel lighter, leaner and healthier. It's weird but I almost feel more alive and not as sluggish.

I tasted a praline chocolate yesterday which I would normally die for and it tasted disgusting to me.

I used to have potatoes every night for dinner, garlic potatoes, chilli baby bakes, heaps of pasta.....and now I don't even miss them. I reckon I would feel uncomfortably stuffed if I did eat them.

The only thing I really miss are freshly baked scones when out with friends for coffee but am going to allow myself one maybe every 2-3 weeks.

Im onna train. Lotsa drinks. Look no canapes!