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Low-carb bootcamp

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Week 9 - Low Carb Bootcamp - the last fortnight is here

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BIWI · 05/03/2018 06:33

Good morning all

I see from the end of last week's thread that some of us have been struggling with various demons.

We only have two weeks left, so time to gird your loins (however you do that!), and plough on.

Hopefully the snow has gone, or is disappearing rapidly, and that there's enough appropriate food in the shops. At least our problem is not being able to find what we want - I saw a very sad piece in the news yesterday about a dairy farmer, who was having to throw all his milk away, because the tanker couldn't get to his farm to collect it. So days' worth of money for him gone Sad

Anyway, here's the lovely new thread, and with the fantastic Spreadsheet of Fabulousness.

Good luck this week. Stick with it and keep the focus.

Flowers
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BIWI · 07/03/2018 21:12

@BerylStreep - I think you're probably victim to carb creep:

B: fried egg and 2 small sausages. Coffee with AM&C

Were the sausages low carb ones?

L: sliced poached chicken, coleslaw, mayo, cucumber & tomato. Lidl greek yoghurt with double cream and 4 strawberries

OK there's a lot going on here! First, why poached chicken? There will be very little fat there. Second, the coleslaw; homemade or ready made? If the latter, it could be much carrier than you think. Then you've had yoghurt, and also strawberries. All these things individually: not too bad. Together? Could be a lot of carbs

S / early dinner: Packet macadamias, coffee with AM&C, homemade egg mayo, slice cold roast beef. After all that I think I'll miss proper dinner

Why are you snacking on all of this? That's a lot of extra food (and calories.). The macadamias will be adding carbs.

It sounds to me like you're losing focus on Bootcamp.

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BIWI · 07/03/2018 21:13

@Grimbles

Where is your veg?! That isn't really a Bootcamp kind of day! And why the Coke?

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Bluntness100 · 07/03/2018 21:34

Beryl, I was about to say the same thing as biwi..I suspect you've got carb creep going on...😱

BerylStreep · 07/03/2018 21:41

BIWI you might be right. I really didn't need the yoghurt & strawberries. The poached chicken is just what we do each week - buy a kilo of chicken breasts and poach. Then people can slice off what they want during the week and have it whatever way they like. I prefer mine plain with homemade mayo. DH does his with mayo and curry paste to make a coronation chicken type thing. Coleslaw was Sainsburys TTD, at 5.9g per 100g. I had about a dessert spoon of it, so probably 30g? Sausages were 1.5g carb each, i.e. 3g carb in total for both.

As loath as I am to do it, I probably need to start logging with MFP, even for a short period, to see what my macros are like, along with total calories. It's such a complete pain though, especially as I tend to make most meals from scratch, so it means inputting recipes and estimating portion sizes.

In the overall scheme of things, I have done really well, and I need to keep the bigger picture in mind. I have lost a stone since I started in November 2017, and ideally would like to lose another stone. I would still be 2 stone heavier than the weight I naturally was in my 20s and early thirties, but I'd be happy with that. I gain a lot from the threads.

I do think I have a reliance on my coffees with Almond milk & cream. I love them, and they are the highlight of my day. I strictly ration them to max 2 a day, but I recognise my emotional response to them is far out of proportion to anything else I consume.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 07/03/2018 22:44

Just had a look at the Diet doctor link, because I too am craving crispy salty things - worse than the chocolate! - and I tried kale crisps once, but had a nasty reaction to them that left me heaving at the thought of ever eating them again :(
I do like parmesan crisps but lately have been getting acid reflux from those so have had to stop.
Very happy to try some of the Diet Doctor's stuff though, especially the keto garlic bread - can't wait!! Just got to go and find a source of ground psyllium husk, but I expect our local health food shop will have some.

Still haven't cracked the 12st barrier but I'm right on it now so fingers crossed!

Well done to all losers, and especially those fitting into smaller clothes - that's brilliant! I wish my waist was going down, it's not much yet, but the bulk where my stomach is has definitely reduced. I no longer look 7m pregnant - hurrah! Maybe 3m. Wink (I'm not, btw)

BerylStreep · 07/03/2018 22:45

Shock well I have just logged everything on to MFP. Carbs were 30g today, so not too bad, but I suspect that I need to be below 20g to actually lose. But macadamias [shock[ Shock almost 1000 calories in one of those small Lidl bags.

Macros:
Carbs 9%
Fat 61%
Protein 30%

I have put my goals as
Carbs 5%
Fat 75%
Protein 20%

Does that sound about right?

Destinysdaughter · 07/03/2018 23:32

ThumbWitchesAbroad The Holland and Barrett in my big Tescos sells ground psyllium husks...but at £15.99 Shock

I didn't buy them!

MumOfAPickle · 07/03/2018 23:44

Evening all, missed posting food for a couple of days but been kokoing
Today
B: none
L: chicken on bone roasted with courgette, leeks and shallots with a dash of cream
D: cheese & mushroom omelette with salad
S: pork scratchings, some flax bread with butter

I'm hosting book group tomorrow so have made some low carb brownies (a bit flat but taste lovely to me - I fear they may not be sweet enough for others). Also thought I'd serve up:
Smoked salmon on cucumber
Baked Camembert
Other cheese
Chicken wings
HM low carb crackers for the cheese
Pate

Hmm need more veg. Needs to be buffet type things as my dining table isn't big enough for us all to sit at!

Any ideas oh wise ones?

Destinysdaughter · 08/03/2018 00:21

Cucumber, celery, peppers, cauliflower ( carrots for guests) with guacamole, sour cream dips?

Destinysdaughter · 08/03/2018 00:25

Your buffet sounds delicious btw!

I'm thinking of trying avocado brownies, sounds weird but people love them on Pinterest...

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 08/03/2018 03:45

Thanks Destiny - I'm in Australia though, so bit far to come ;)
Our local HF store is pretty good though (albeit also horrifically expensive) so I'll have a look there. :)

TerfsUp · 08/03/2018 07:16

Congratulations, all, on the NSV! I am rooting for everyone - especially those who are having a bad time / blip.

ShagMeRiggins · 08/03/2018 07:41

A Greek saad might be a nice addition, MumOfAPickle. Or I might just be peckish myself.

Rayna37 · 08/03/2018 08:13

Bit of a downward whoosh going on for me, however unfortunately mainly due to diarrhoea. Had it on and off since the weekend, no idea where it's come from. Did eat an avocado and cheese wholemeal toastie yesterday, really felt I couldn't stomach an omelette and wanted bread, plus avocado for potassium. Been on plan otherwise though. Finding it hard to follow guidance to avoid fat and fibre! Optimistic I'm on the mend now.

Bluntness100 · 08/03/2018 08:22

Morning all. I've a party tonight to attend. And dinner at a mates house before hand. Will be a challenge to negotiate 😳

TempusEejit · 08/03/2018 09:34

mumofapickle I've made some lovely samosas and breadsticks using fathead pizza dough (just add a tsp baking powder for the breadsticks and they puff up a bit). BIWI's savoury tart/quiche on the recipe thread is also delicious.

TempusEejit · 08/03/2018 09:43

By the way hello everyone! I was on the Bootcamp threads before Christmas but have been maintaining for a bit because I was losing loads of hair (it's starting to grow back now). Ive been doing very lazy keto so far this year - it's literally the first time in my entire life that I've stayed a stable weight for more than a month so I'm delighted. Am planning to start being stricter again with the help of Bootcamp to get my last couple of stone off but am relatively happy with how I look now and the health issues I had pre-low carb have gone Smile

Rayna get well soon.

Bluntness enjoy your party.

Almahart · 08/03/2018 10:30

I’ve got 7ibs to go - feels like every one is hard won but also I feel the difference with each

Feel like I know what I’m doing now and am back on track

Rshard · 08/03/2018 10:37

Oh no rayna, feel better soon

Does your friend know you’re on this woe bluntness?

I remember you tempus, welcome back

I’ve got 8lbs alma, really hoping they’re not going to be stubborn little buggers!

ShagMeRiggins · 08/03/2018 11:57

I had a different name but remember you. Nice to hear about your temporary maintenance and glad your hair’s better.

Cooking in our home has become interesting—my husband and I are doing LCHF, one of the children is seriously lactose intolerant, one has gone pescetarian for Lent Hmm, one is under GP orders to increase fibre for terrible constipation (so lots of beans), and the other will eat pretty much anything but recently mentioned they were “a bit tired of fish” and “why don’t we eat potatoes anymore?” Blush

Tonight was going to be pulled pork sandwiches in the slow cooker with coleslaw and other green veg, but I’m not sure I have time to make it now.

Twoo · 08/03/2018 12:16

Hi Peeps

I realise one of the principles of this woe is to not count calories. I totally respect BIWIs boot camp rules. Really I do. I think BIWI has done a fantastic job promoting this woe and I would not have lost the Weight I have without this thread. However, I feel to make any further progress I need to do that.

I will try to explain my rationale and please do respond if my thinking is off. Here goes. I’m petite framed and small in height, around 5ft. I say around as hospital have measured me and it varies between 4ft11 & 5ft1. So I tend to settle at 5ft.

On using those on line calculators that someone posted on this thread, my calories needed per day to maintain current weight of 10 stone 12 is 1450cals. That’s to maintain. To lose just one lb per week I need to cut 500 per day. This creates a deficit of 3500 cals over the week, which equates to 1lb of fat lost. So that leaves just 950 Cals a day.

This is where I think this woe comes into its own. To have a nutrient dense 950 cals a day made up of the right veg, meat and healthy fats, this would sustain and satiate you.

However, If you were to try to have 950 cals a day made up of carbs, alcohol, white rice, white bread, pasta, cake, sugary foods and drinks in general. It would not leave you satiated. It would trigger cravings, and you would over eat, not lose any weight or even put more on.

I’m at a further disadvantage too as I’m disabled and I’m limited to what exercise I can do. So unable to create a deficit with exercise.

Therefore starting today I am going to have to record everything I eat, watch my macros and keep within 950 cals per week.

Please share your thoughts. Please BIWI don’t beat me with your stick Grin

Twoo · 08/03/2018 12:30

Should read- 950 cals per day Grin

ShagMeRiggins · 08/03/2018 12:45

Twoo I’m confused. You’ve done well with this WoE. Why the change now? Is it because you want it faster?

StuntNun · 08/03/2018 13:01

Before I answer Twoo's post I want to repeat that, in general, there is no need to count calories on Bootcamp. There are personal reasons some individuals count calories, and it can be a useful tool in diagnosing why someone isn't losing weight or is on an extended stall. Please don't feel that you should be counting calories because of the recent discussions on the topic.

"However, I feel to make any further progress I need to [count calories]... My calories needed per day to maintain current weight of 10 stone 12 is 1450cals. To lose just one lb per week I need to cut 500 per day. This creates a deficit of 3500 cals over the week, which equates to 1lb of fat lost. So that leaves just 950 Cals a day."
Is one pound a week a reasonable rate of weight loss for you? For a person of average height who has a lot of weight to lose then 1-2 lb per week is an optimal rate of weight loss. I believe that at your height and weight, 950 calories per day is unnecessarily restrictive and will result in you losing lean body mass. This is something you can ill afford if you are limited with regards to exercise, since you can't easily exercise sufficiently to maintain or rebuild muscle mass. Another consequence of a too low calorie intake is that your body will put maintenance and healing of your body tissues and bone mass on hold until your calorie intake rises again. So you would be setting yourself up for an immediate weight gain when you start eating more again. I suggest aiming for half a pound weight loss per week, hence a daily calorie intake of 1200 calories.

"This is where I think this woe comes into its own. To have a nutrient dense 950 cals a day made up of the right veg, meat and healthy fats, this would sustain and satiate you."
A nutrient-dense diet is a great goal. Since a LCHF diet is more satiating at a lower calorie intake than a standard diet you should be able to reduce your calories below your TDEE without feeling extra hungry.

"I’m at a further disadvantage too as I’m disabled and I’m limited to what exercise I can do. So unable to create a deficit with exercise."
This makes remarkably little difference. Exercise is important for health but not essential for weight loss.

"Therefore starting today I am going to have to record everything I eat, watch my macros and keep within 950 cals per day."
I think it is a good idea for your to start logging your food so that you can calculate your calorie intake and make sure your macros are optimum. I have the following recommendations:

Aim for 1200 calories per day initially then reassess in a couple of weeks.

Don't think of 1200 calories per day, rather expect to eat 8400 calories (1200 x 7) per week. Some days you will feel hungrier than others. When people that are naturally slim eat more calories than they need in a day, they spontaneously reduce their calories the next day. That's a reasonable model to follow.

Introduce an eating window by fasting for at least 16 hours between dinner and breakfast. If you eat two nutrient-dense meals per day without snacks in between then your insulin levels will be perfectly primed for weight loss. This is another area where calorie counting can potentially let you down. It's better to have a big lunch and a big dinner with nothing in between, than to have a 'lite' lunch but need to snack a couple of times before dinner. Losing weight on LCHF isn't just about the calories or the carbs, it's about keeping insulin levels low. Fasting will help lower your insulin levels.

Twoo please do let me know what you think of my comments and if there's anything you want to discuss further.

TempusEejit · 08/03/2018 13:59

"Exercise is important for health but not essential for weight loss"

This ^^

"Losing weight on LCHF isn't just about the calories or the carbs, it's about keeping insulin levels low. Fasting will help lower your insulin levels."

And this ^^

@Twoo I'd strongly recommend you read "The Obesity Code" by Dr Jason Fung, it's very enlightening. Calories do count, yes, but the notion that weight is controlled by "calories in vs calories out," especially as you age, is a myth.

(as an aside hello Rshard and Shag!)

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