Between bootcamps support thread Summer17

[ilovecherries]

Previous thread here : www.mumsnet.com/Talk/low_carb_bootcamp/2993416-Pre-summer-Bootcamp-our-last-weigh-in

I know I'm preaching, but being on my own journey into understanding my emotional relationship with food, I think some here really need to start their own journey into understanding their relationship with alcohol. Do you reach for the wine when you a) feel stressed, b) have had a bad day, c) need to relax and wind down, d) need cheering up, e) are facing a difficult decision, f) are wound up about something, g) can't sleep, h) crave an escape???
These are all emotional needs and a drink may provide just a temporary 'hit the spot'. But then the self loathing, guilt, fuck it mentality kicks in and the next thing you know you have stalled or gained weight and feel like shit about it. Cue vicious circle...

I'm not saying anyone here is an alcoholic, please don't get me wrong. Or that I'm anti alcohol or a teetotaller. I can just see the sabotage circle from people's posts and how it just creates more misery. I want everyone here to have such fantastic success and happiness on this WOE including me and I am so grateful for all the advice and support you've given me. Here is some of it back with spikes on

#toughlove #namastebitches

Good morning

Hi YoLoZammo Very good questions! I asked myself a lot of similar questions when I started cutting down a few years ago - I was one of those people who had a few drinks every evening. And in my case, I found a book/hypnosis CD which helped me understand how much of it was learnt behaviour around relaxing/treating/stress relief. And, with a few lapses, I got myself out of the daily drinking habit and am quite mindful about not developing other new ones. But, I'm finding it very hard to shake the habit that its the end of the week and a glass of wine (or three) is a reward. Even when I logically know that it will help me achieve my weight loss target. I suspect I need to find another Friday evening "reward" to replace wine. At least for the next few months.

Oh I posted a bit quick

Does SSS start today? I think I'd better anyway.
My intentions are;
No alcohol, easy for me as I rarely drink.
IF, which is pretty much ingrained now
Strict BC (I seldom do BC light)
Maybe an egg fast. It wasn't too unbearable last time.

So far so good. Now all the remains is to stop being the stupidly carby twat I've been for the last nearly two weeks. Talk about self sabotage. Oh well, here goes, day one. Good luck all. C4 GET THAT PUPPY.

In the past I've enjoyed a glass or 2 of prosecco on a Sat night and it hasn't affected ketosis. Some can tolerate low carb alcohol in terms of weightloss and some can't.

Although having a dry 2017 wasn't a weight loss driven decision for me, I think not drinking has actually made this a lot easier. I find I'm much less likely to have a 'fuck it, I deserve it' moment when I'm not viewing it through champagne specs. It did take a while for not-drinking to be our norm rather than will power driven but it has certainly made me determined never to drink again with the same regularity. We still haven't decided what 1 Jan 2018 will look like, but we've gone from saying 'only 237 days to go' to 'meh, whatever'. It's quite liberating.

And I'm embarrassed to admit that by putting the money spent on wine into another bank account every week, we already have enough for a 'good' extra winter holiday. And I suspect we are still not admitting the true level of expenditure!

Bloody hell ilove you must have been spending some dollar!

Just made the most delicious lunch, which I'm tucking into now:
1 small hass avocado chopped up
Fried in butter with smoked paprika & salt
2 eggs added & scrambled in the pan

I bet some cheese would be nice on top & maybe some chorizo as well?

OldBooks the LCHF Bootcamp is broadly similar to Atkins however Atkins is more like a diet since you're supposed to weigh portions and count carbs. And yes, Dr Atkins did die after a fall at the age of 72. The controversy was because he had a heart attack due to cardiomyopathy (from a viral infection) although his critics claimed it must have been from eating too much fat. In general a low carb high fat diet produces an improved lipid profile but in some people LDL cholesterol can increase. If that does happen then it can help to replace saturated fats with monounsaturated fats and fish oils.

I generally avoid yogurt as it gives me a stuffed up nose but I made creamy Greek yogurt and it amazeballs! I used 2 litres of whole milk and 600 ml double cream then strained it through muslin after it had yogurt-ed to make it extra thick. It is divine - I highly recommend adding cream if you make your own yogurt.

I posted up-thread about the alcohol-free gin which is great for people who have given up/cut down on alcohol but still want a fancy 'treat'. It's quite similar to Bombay Sapphire, perhaps a bit stronger on the aromatics, and it's both alcohol and carb-free.

Hi all it's buzzing" on here! there's so many threads coming in at such a speedy rate!!
First of all, a big well done all the NSV and losers.
After my yesterday's gloomy post about my weight stalling I gave myself a good talking to and told myself to KOKO, and that's what I'm doing!! No more messing!!

I I did in the end have good nsv myself yesterday which I'm pleased about. I have an issue with going hungry - I hate it and get a bit panicked if I think I'm going to feel hungry and will often rush to eat if I've missed a meal or gone a bit over a mealtime. I will often end up overeating, as if in my head I think I've got to over compensate for missing a meal. I don't know why, maybe it's years of rubbish diets leading dysfunctional eating habits. So, yesterday I had to go to a meeting at my mums nursing home 50 miles away in my home town. It started at 6pm til about 730 and I had no time to eat my (late) lunch that I'd bought with me. For me that's good because I was able to go without lunch and I told myself - it's ok, I can eat whenever I want if I need to. I got home at 8 30 and had my lunch for my evening meal. It's a NSV for me because I have such an issue with hunger. So I'm going to try leaving longer gaps between meals every now and then to get myself used to the idea of being hungry and feeling comfortable with it.

Lauralou I agree with Grah about IF - if it's not doing you any good then don't do it. I have also struggled with IF and 5:2 (see my above earlier comment here) and I get headaches and nausea. It's to do with lack of magnesium and sodium etc - like the carb flu you get early into low carbing. I think maybe my body doesn't utilise magnesium v well or something. My OH has done fasting for about 4 years and he has no trouble at all with it but I couldn't get on with it at all - I might be better at it after I've got more into this woe but I'm not rushing into it.

I love your posts about alcohol yolo grah.Full of common sense!!!

Lost another 2.6lbs this morning (each decimal point counts haha) which is amazing bringing me up to 9.4lbs in just over a fortnight.

I've found I'm a bit hungrier the last few days though when my appetite had dropped dramatically last week. We ate with family last Sunday and had lentil dal. I had a small portion, declined rice and had boiled eggs with it but there was eaton mess dessert too. I had a small bowl of this so overall a carby old meal... could the carb intake have sort of reset me so I'm hungrier again? I'm having plenty of fat still.

Yesterday I had a spinach, mushroom and cheese omelette for breakfast and salmon fishcakes with creamy cheesy leeks and cauliflower tossed in butter for dinner.

I didn't have much choice about the meal Sunday and for some reason I don't want to tell anyone what I'm doing yet. Does anyone else feel this way? I feel like friends and family have watched me 'fail' so many diets that I want to wait until they notice a difference in me and then just say oh yes I've adoped this new WOE. I've told my sister as she is pretty overweight but she hasn't asked me about it again.

Hippa, we did have a penchant for rather naice (i.e. Expensive!) wines. Or maybe I just have low standards about what constitutes a good holiday.

Leno, I do know what you mean. I didn't want to tell people as a)I wasn't convinced it would work - after all nothing else did b) I didn't feel strong enough to cope with the usual angst about poor old Atkins and the perceived risks of high fat c) I definitely didn't want people monitoring what I ate. For me, I just body swerved a lot in the first few weeks - claimed in public that I wasn't hungry/had just eaten/was feeling a bit delicate/was having an ibs flare up etc. I basically told whatever porkies I had to to avoid the carbs. After the first stone, people were noticing anyway, and it became a bit easier, though I still don't like discussing it outside this group.

Well. It seems I have the mother of all UTIs. It is painful. And I'm bleeding, which is worrying if it continues (doctor said).

So, generally feeling all around shite and sorry for myself. Not eaten, not hungry.

Oh no cleareyes I'm sorry. UTIs are horrid. Drink loads of water... then drink more. I find it reduces the pain noticeably. Plus flushes everything quicker. Hope you feel better soon!

ilovecherries that's exactly it I don't want people monitoring what I'm eating!

Poor you Cleareyes I'm so sorry - I've never had but sending you💐

I've only had three episodes in my (rather long) life and this one feels the absolute worst. I'm searching for a hot water bottle and planning to spend the rest of the day on the sofa (as much as possible).

Luckily husband suggested he do the cooking tonight (page 125 of the new Jamie Oliver book). But I still have to do dinner for the children.

And I looked up bleeding in menopausal women so am now concerned about uterine or cervical cancer (I have a history and had a colposcopy/cone biopsy/whatever it was a while back).

Really overreacting. Feel weepy. I'm not usually like this, honest.

Thanks, y'all.

Going to drink ALL the water now. (Like I do every single damn day anyway. )

Ouch that sounds horrible, ClearEyes. Much sympathy to you

Thanks for the info StuntNun

Cleareyes sounds awful, hope it clears up soon. Take it easy.

Lenl I definitely get hungrier if I allow carb creep. I was indulgent the last few days and now even though am doing usual lchf am really hungry!

Have carb flu and am absolutely starving today (day 9) thought I was over this bit 😔Have eaten like a pig and on nutracheck after my dinner tonight I will have had 1981 cals and 162g of fat, although only 12.6g of fat. Craving sweet things like a woman possessed, have had too much cheese 100g mozzarella, 30g Camembert and a cheese string (in between mushrooms fried in butter, cabbage fried in butter and king prawns with lots of v. Fatty Caesar dressing). Can cheese cause carb flu to return?

12.6g carbs

Can cheese cause carb flu to return?

. I don't think so. the quantities you've described put you at not even 4 carbs for the mozzarella and Camembert, according to my calculator.

I don't think the hmmm emoji comes across properly in that post. Nothing snotty meant by it!

Thanks @cleareyes, I swear I have had no carb cheats but feel like crap, took lieu hours to come home early and am in bed