Week 2 Summer Low Carb Bootcamp - continued thread!

[BIWI]

My goodness I don't think we've ever had a second thread in week 2!

Anyway, the last thread is full, so let's carry on the chatting here until the new thread on Monday!

Oliversmum It's so frustrating when they whack a load of carbs in things that they haven't mentioned in the menu. Sounds like you did what you could though, a strict day today and loads of water and you should be back on track.
I've still got another pound to get back to Monday's weight, so sign of AF yet, so could just be general bloat not monthly bloat.
B:Oppsie roll, butter and marmite
L: Chicken salad
S: Curry, tricky one, thinking of just going for a chicken tikka

NSV - is that a new one then? Love it!

Had to eat one flapjack type thing yesterday, home made by Doris. Would have been rude not to.... but I only had the one (normally I would have kept going)! And didn't crave another after. I'm hoping it was minimised by being in the middle of the day (I always feel it's worse to go off piste first thing or just before bed I don't know why) and surrounded by lots of water drinking and very low carb eating otherwise.

Having my hair done today and will request none of their little hairdresser biscuits are put on the saucer with my coffee so that I'm not tempted! I remember the days when my DDs found it a treat when i brought home a couple of little wrapped hairdresser biscuits for them, after a visit to the salon. They have more demanding requirements for treats these days!

If I eat breakfast then I'm likely to feel hungrier through the day and more likely to snack between meals. If I fast in the morning then I'm much more likely to get through the rest of the day with only two meals and no snacks

I've been wondering about this - I'm reading Breakfast is a Dangerous Meal at the moment, and it's fascinating. In the past, I've always been starving for breakfast, and the first week of boot camp I was up and into the 3 egg omelettes every morning. However, I've become increasingly disinterested in it over the last week - there was only one day where I actually wanted/enjoyed it, and that was after being up nearly all the previous night with a sick dog.

I'm still making myself eat something, but it's dropped to a very small amount, mainly because I promised myself that I only had only one rule for 10 weeks - follow the sodding rules! I'm a terrible rule breaker (in lots of areas, not just food), and I'm always looking for wiggle room, or a different/better/dafter way of doing something. I decided if I said no special snowflake behaviour, and did what I was bloody told for a change, then I had some hope of success. It's easier to have one rule which says 'follow the rules', than to have multiple personal rules of eat this/don't eat that. That would lead me to a place where I'd convinced myself within the first day that a loaf of sourdough was health food so long as it had butter and avocado on it. (BTDT!)

The rules only say breakfast for the first two weeks to make sure that you get into the habit of eating meals, not snacking etc.

In bclite (which you can do after Monday) you can skip breakfast if you are not hungry. I rarely eat breakfast, just a creamy coffee unless I wake up hungry.

Whit woo Jimminy, looking good. Hope you enjoyed your date night.

Adalind if the scales are derailing you, keep off. Lots of people on here are using items of clothing rather than numbers to plot their losses. If you are following the rules then stuff will be happening regardless of what is says on the scales. KOKO.

We've got friends over later for a BBQ so I have bought out all the LC treats I can think of.

B: bacon, scrambled eggs, mushrooms in oodles of butter
L: while the others snack on crisps and dips I have, in no particular order, chorizo crisps, crackling crisps, ham and cheese roll ups from M&S, home made guacamole and olives - do you think that's enough?
D: BBQ - I have beef and pork kebabs, LC sausages, little steaks, halloumi, tomato and mozzerella salad, courgette salad, normal salad, and burgers, buns and jacket potatos for my carby fellow diners. There will be wine though, so I'm not being a total Angel.

Ah, that's good Sayrra, I'm not reading on, because I didn't want to get into the mindset of 'only two weeks till I can eat xx', but I guess it's safe for me to consider boot camp light now. I might well drop the breakfast then, though I'm not planning to increase my carbs yet unless instructed to do so - have too much weight to lose, and don't want to get into carb creep at this stage.

Morning!

Here you are! I've been up since 5 having completely conked out really early last night. No bed time cuppa and wearing earplugs meant I slept like a log .

StuntNun I'm very much the same and even more so on BC these last few days - a small creamy coffee and some water for breakfast is enough for me. Please don't be mad at me BIWI. I've been having two meals and no snacks. At the start of BC when I was eating breakfast it meant I was eating my lunch and dinner much, much later, say, 1.30 and 8.30. This is OK short term but not really doable longterm for me. I'd much prefer lunch at 12ish then dinner at 7ish.

I'm the same regarding wiggle room ilove. That is why I'm not weighing myself regularly. In the past, on any 'diet', as soon as I see a loss on the scales I start to fart about testing what I can 'get away with' before I start to put weight on. It has never ended well. It's far better for me to see and feel the physical benefits.

So I'm about to do my online Ocado shop; what should I get? Already thinking eggs, avacado, cream, kale and spinach but get a bit stuck on meat.

Thanks.
My meals are ok I think, but too much dairy.
B- I have become intolerant to eggs on their own so have to add cheese, so having cream cheese pancakes, creamy coffee
L- salad, every day. With olive oil dressing, olives, seeds, hard boiled egg and either avocado or feta (1/4 pack)
D- something like fried tofu or veggie sausages (processed but fairly low carb) with fried mushrooms, boiled asparagus, green beans, spinach, cauliflower etc with butter. Trying not to have cheese at dinner time.
D- Greek yoghurt with cream
Drinks - one tea with splash of milk, 3l water

I have allowed myself nuts and seeds as am vegetarian but I will remove those for a week and see what happens. I will also weigh my yoghurt and limit it to 100g and one spoon of cream as I at a whole litre in 5 days this week.
You know I think I can see where I have gone wrong. As well as the fact that it's only 5 days back on it after carbing.

Can you reassure me thoug that if I lost actual fat I won't have gained it back again? I know it really but I want to hold on to it. The scales were moving so nicely in the right direction and I hate to think it was water weight. Also don't see how it can be as I'm drinking oceans.

I'm waiting for mine to be delivered anytime now . I've got pork belly, lamb mince and skinless chicken breasts in the freezer. Arriving today:

Skin on chicken breasts
Chicken thighs
High % fat beef minced beef
Whole chicken
Lamb leg steaks

It's busy this morning!

Style thanks for the wise words, you're absolutely right, an occasional mishap is to be expected and it's important to keep going!

I did succumb to one Pickled Onion Monster Munch last night, I blame DH who had to have a packet in front of me while I was in the midst of carb-crave hell!

Yesterday:
B: creamy tea (less yuck), Greek yoghurt
L: scrambled eggs, fried mushrooms with spring onion, bacon
D: egg curry, yoghurt
S: cocktail sausages, cheese, creamy coffee (too filling to finish it all). And I had two glasses of Robinson's squash! (Sorry Biwi - it was that or lemonade, so went for the low-sugar option)

Today:
Not sure yet, will be out most of the day with family, buffet-type food which I know will be carb-loaded so will see how I fare. I don't really want to explain to everyone why I'm not eating carbs, I don't think they'll get it.

I'm teetotal so at least I don't have to contend with alcohol cravings! I can do fine without bread/rice/pasta, but I'm a sugar addict and love potatoes, so they will be my downfall!

As for veggie food, Ada have you tried the Quorn range? Some of their things are quite low carb, I appreciate that they're low fat but you can always up the fat content with butter/oil/cream etc. Just to see if you can reduce the dairy load for the next week or so.

Jiminny - WOW, you look great - hope you had a fab night!

Morning. I have had an amazing sleep and just woke up!

Going to peruse the recipes for something nice for dinner.

I now realise this is not a nice treat because I deserve it, I am actually disrespecting my body by shoving junk in. I deserve to be healthy, to fill my body with nutritious tasty food, not addictive sugar crap. I can love and respect myself by eating well.

Absolutely YoLo this expresses exactly how i feel on this woe.

Have learned my lesson about the impact not eating sufficient quantities of the right kind of veg and shall be mostly looking out for veg from now on. Off for lunch with my mother today, with plaice fillets, leeks au gratin (cooked at the same time as i did yesterday's celeriac go me) and a bag of mixed broccoli, green beans and cabbage.

It's not only M&S who are picking up on LC trends, Looking through the trays of prepared veg yesterday i noticed a 'spicy cauliflower florets' option amongst the potatoes. Was in a rush so didn't check out the carb counts but it set me wondering how they decide what new trends to follow. Would be great to see ever more LC options but i suspect the market is quite limited for producers to 'add value' ie cost to products while keeping them low carb. Very different market to the 'bulk them out with cheap ingredients and make 'em tasty with sugar and artificial stuff' of the HCLF approach.

I'm so glad to have finally wised up about this, thanks in no small part to BIWI, Stuntnun, SayrraT Wombattoo and everyone on here, to have found this thread and all the support and inspiration.

Loving Jiminny's pictures, too.

I had both halves of the avocado with cream cheese, smoked salmon and egg if that makes any difference

To those of you worrying - you will absolutely not have put on fat 'overnight' if you've had an indiscretion. What you will have done is refilled your glycogen stores and retained some water. The only solution for this is just to get back on it - eat the fat, drink the water, and KOKO.

The breakfast thing is really interesting. I absolutely cannot eat within the first couple of hours of waking. I have a cup of tea (now with almond milk) and a couple of glasses of water but the thought of food makes me sick. And on the days when I do eat before, say 10am, I am inevitably starving the rest of the day (even if it's LCHF stuff) and eat loads more. Absolutely the best way for me is to eat within a 6-8 hour window in the afternoon/evening. But it's taken me a long time to get to that point and I don't think anyone should feel bad if their body functions differently at the moment. Although I believe LCHF is the best way to eat, we are still all different and need to find out our own equilibrium.

I really want to get that breakfast book because it sounds like it will ring lots of bells!

Morning! I found you, I think I was the last poster on the old thread and I kept refreshing it and thinking 'wow OldBooks you have killed the most busy thread ever...' social anxiety talking

So mardy and grumpy today, totally craving anything just want to EAT. I know AF being irregular is supposed to be a good sign but it's likely to be the one thing that derails me, can't cope with pmt

I mentioned this on another BC thread - I have the Idiot Proof Diet books. In the recipe book they say 'YOU ARE NOT THE BIN'. It's something I've said to myself more than a few times this last fortnight. Particularly when I'm scraping some leftovers into the bin. I do NOT have to hoover up ALL OF THE FOOD.

I'm thinking I will have a go at making Thai fish curry, but I will need to make the paste from scratch to avoid the sugar that's in the bought ones. So I'll let you know how THAT goes! But am I ok to use canned full fat coconut milk - it says 2.4 carbs per 100 MLS?

Style it is important in the first weeks of adapting to low carb that you eat three meals a day, both to speed up the adaption process and to make sure that you aren't feeling hungry which makes it much more difficult to make good food choices. Once you've got through that stage then it can be worth experimenting with intermittent fasting, especially if you have diabetes, pre-diabetes, or PCOS. All of these involve insulin resistance which is often improved by fasting (whether you are eating low carb or not). If you find yourself accidentally skipping meals Cherries then that's a good sign that you're ready to try intermittent fasting. There are lots of different ways to fast so if people are interested it would probably be worth starting a new thread within this topic so we can chat about it without derailing this one. One tip though - a creamy coffee would have too many calories and carbs to include in your fast period although some people do have a bulletproof coffee in their fast period.

Adalind first up, get straight back on the wagon. Whatever is happening with your food and your weight, eating more carbs is only going to make things worse. Second, don't fret about dairy, it doesn't stall everyone. I think that people can be too quick to assume dairy is a problem. Third, you didn't give yourself enough time to adapt to this way of eating before having a massive cheat. The process of switching to fat burning is complicated and it won't happen effectively if you cheat during the first 2-4 weeks. Low carb can work for you Adalind, please just give it another chance.

Morning all

Not been on for a couple of days but have kept reading! Had a very important hospital appointment yesterday and even though I didn't feel stressed my body clearly felt otherwise. Spent a couple of days before really wanting food, any food, but especially picky stuff. Constantly in the kitchen and fridge 'looking' for things that weren't there any more. I wasn't hungry at all but didn't connect what was going on with my appointment until I got home afterwards. All strange 'wanting' just went. Weird how our body's behave even subconsciously.

Anyway, appointment went well and I will be having an op hopefully around Sept/Oct time. Time to get my blood pressure under control

jiminny you look amazing, you must be really chuffed! Hope you had a lovely evening.

Brunch will be omelette with spinach and mushrooms
Dinner fathead pizza
Snack of total yoghurt if needed

Have a lovely day everyone

Well my weigh in day is Saturday, and due to a bit of carb twatdom (and booze) I've STS. Annoyed but not surprised

Morning all! Can I please ask for some advice regarding exercise?

I started LC-ing on Tuesday and have noticed that exercising feels a lot harder, I feel awesome in all other ways so won't let this put me off though.

His morning I went for an early spinning class so didn't eat before - is this something I should've done?

When I got back I skipped the protein shake as it's full of sweeteners and went for leftover steak and a mug off egg milk which was yummy. Is this a good way of refuelling after exercise?

Will exercise get easier once I get keto-adapted?

I am apparently down 5.3kg since 15th May.

There may be some natural variation in there of course but it is encouraging.

I find slicing up veg - mushrooms, courgette, aubergine and frying in butter is a good and palatable way to incorporate more veg.

The water is really helping I think - I tend to drink a lot of almond coffees at work but plain water is the business!

Thank you stunt
I'm not quitting

nowwhat I also really struggle with exercise when LC. I ran 5k the other day and was so bloody slow! I can usually run that no problem. I think the idea is that you don't have the easy access to glycogen (or is it glucose?) in the bloodstream so have to go straight to fat stores. It's like hitting The Wall straight off that bat. But I hear once adapted and fit you can just keep going and going.

However as I feel right now I have no idea how I'm going to play hockey matches when the season comes around!