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Low-carb bootcamp

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Preparing for the pre-summer Low Carb Bootcamp - starting next week!

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BIWI · 16/05/2017 08:59

Morning all!

So next week sees the start of our next Bootcamp. It will last, as usual, for 10 weeks, so will take us nicely up to the summer/school holidays.

If you're going to join us, and especially if you haven't low carbed before, it's really important that you plan for it, and start to think about what you're going to shop for, cook and eat. Failing to plan ahead is one of the key reasons why most people drop out early on!

The first two weeks of Bootcamp are the strictest, but after this period, things relax a little. The idea of the initial strict phase is to ensure that you switch your body from burning carbs, to burning fat.

Overall, these are the foods that you won't be eating at all during Bootcamp:

bread in any form
pasta/noodles
rice
potatoes
sugar (which includes honey/agave syrup/maple syrup)
chocolate
flour

During the stricter first two weeks, you also exclude:

fruit
nuts
alcohol

The idea of Bootcamp is that it's easy to follow - in that there is no weighing or counting of anything (unless you want to). Just follow the rules and you will be fine. However, although it's easy to follow, it's not always easy to do, because for many of us it can be such a change in eating habits and patterns.

The British diet has changed considerably in the last 50 years or so - whereas we used to be meat and two veg, plus potatoes - now, many if not most of our meals are based around carbs - pasta and sauce, or rice-based dishes, for example. And this has been compounded by government advice, which says we should base our diets on carbohydrates and avoid fat wherever we can.

When you're low carbing, you'll be reversing that, which feels very alien! So instead of a diet which is carbs:protein:fat, you'll be switching it round to fat:protein:carbs.

In the first few days of low carbing, especially if you've been eating a high carb diet for a long time, you may start to feel pretty rubbish

This is called carb flu - essentially you're withdrawing from sugar, which is a highly addictive substance. Your body treats carbs in the same way as it does sugar, and you may find it quite hard going to lose the sugar from your diet.

However, it generally passes quickly and once you're through it - if you suffer; not everyone does - you'll find that you feel great and full of energy. If you do suffer, up your salt intake (as we drink a lot of water, it's important that we keep our sodium intake higher) and also your fat. Take some paracetamol if you feel headachey, and just remind yourself that it's a good thing!

*Planning your meals is a really good idea. Have a look at the top of the Bootcamp topic, and you'll find a Bootcamp recipe thread - loads of lovely recipes there to inspire you. As far as possible, try and choose meals that you can make for the whole family, so you're not having to prepare different meals. It won't harm anyone to eat a low carb meal, and you're a lot more likely to stick to it if it's easy for you to do! Think about the meals that you like that aren't so carb-heavy, and make those - so if spaghetti bolognese and chilli with rice would normally feature, swap those for meals that you can easily make low carb - e.g. salmon with salad and green veg, or roast chicken with roast veg (just not roast potatoes!). Shepherds pie can be made with a mash made from celeriac, or cauliflower, or swede.

Think about what you're going to eat during the day; on-the-go eating is really tough for low carbers, because most food outlets are based on carbs - sandwiches, burgers, muffins, etc.

Make sure you've read and understand Bootcamp rules! I'll post these separately. Print them out if it helps!

Each week, I'll start a new chat thread, and I'll post a link to the spreadsheet that we use to track our weight. (You don't have to be added to the spreadsheet if you don't want to).

On the spreadsheet, on the tabs at the bottom, are links to lots of important information, and you'll find the Bootcamp rules there. There are also links to lots of articles, blogs and videos about low carbing, which will help to inspire and inform you.

It's really important that you understand the thinking and science behind low carbing, so do as much reading as you can. It's especially important that you're armed with some key facts about it, because even though low carbing is becoming more common, you'll still find that people around you will rubbish it - mostly people can't understand why you're eating so much fat and expecting to lose weight!

Anyway, that's enough for now!

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ShastaBeast · 20/05/2017 19:50

I've been averaging about 50-60 carbs on a light version of the diet. I'm gonna struggle to eliminate fruit, it's the sweet element but also lacking ideas for replacements. What to put in my Greek yoghurt. I'm having a treat of very high cocoa chocolate melted and mixed into thick cream.

Is there a good shopping list somewhere? I'm eyeing up celeriac and swede and maybe a ricer for cauliflower. Those M&S crisps sound good, I need to pop in tomorrow. Are pork scratchings suitable or too processed? Pork belly is the best thing about this plan but takes ages to cook.

BIWI · 20/05/2017 22:14

@ShastaBeast

You really do need to drop the fruit. One of the key aims of Bootcamp is to break the hold that sweet things have over us! Which will definitely include chocolate in your yoghurt.

If you have a look at the spreadsheet (find the last Bootcamp thread and look at the OP for the link), there are links there to lists of veg count, showing you what you can/can't eat.

Pork scratchings are good, as they're totally fat!

And you won't need a ricer for the cauliflower - you can either grate it on a box grater, or just pulse it in a food processor.

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catinbooties · 20/05/2017 22:32

Marking place as am definitely in this time. Am fatter than a fat thing a know that this works for me

ShastaBeast · 20/05/2017 22:37

Fuck sake BIWI I just asked what to buy as a replacement for the fruit because I'm dropping it for the two weeks and struggling for ideas. You really have that bee in your bonnet with me on that issue, but as far as I can see it's only two weeks of no fruit and nuts - is that right as I'm getting confused, I've been following the light version for five weeks. I lost 2lb last week (5lb overall) with the fruit and hoping for similar this week. I don't expect it to make much difference when I drop the small amount of fruit I had each day. I know it will be harder so I wanted to do it as a group on these threads for the support and ideas. I've written a two week fruit free meal plan and shopping list to start on Monday. If I do my two weeks of no fruit will I then be allowed to have my berries back in my yoghurt?

ShastaBeast · 20/05/2017 22:38

And I struggle with a lot of the ideas here because I suffer severe back and pelvic pain so can't cook much or carry lots of food into the office. Yoghurt is much easier but very boring alone.

ScoobyDoosTinklyLaugh · 20/05/2017 22:54

I'm looking forward to starting properly Monday! I'm usually very anti-diet but I put on a lot of weight when I was pregnant and I've shifted most of it but still have another 1.5/2 stone I'd like to shift, and I've not had any luck this year with my usual 'trying not to eat too much shit' method. I think I'm blessed with a very high metabolism, I should really be morbidly obese with the quantities that I eat and drink. I don't think it's unusual for me to eat about 5000 calories a day ConfusedHmmBlush

So firstly, I'm worried about how this WOE is going to work when I can eat so much delicious rich food. Does everyones appetite decrease one they're in ketosis. If there's exceptions I bet I'll be one of them Grin

Secondly, what do I do after the 8 weeks? Can I eat moderate amounts of carby stuff or am I then low carb for life? I like baking and I don't want to never be able to eat birthday cake.

Just starting to work out my shopping list for tomorrow!

readyforno2 · 21/05/2017 01:07

Thanks BIWI. Looking forward to it!

Dumdedumdedum · 21/05/2017 06:39

Hi, there, I hope it's OK that I've added myself to the list? It feels like I'm just in time, thank you, BIWI for organising this again!
I've been doing the IPD for the past 6 days, and am aiming at a holiday date at the end of July for my first major milestone (I have an enormous amount to lose, might get to the top of my healthy weight range in 2019, if I'm lucky!). I've already lost 4.75lbs, so am feeling quite positive about it all, but I know I will need support to keep going, so would appreciate being part of this bootcamp.
One thing is - I love eggs in most forms and am happy to eat them all day, every day, but despite regular psyllium husks, they are having a very unpleasant, even painful, binding effect on me. Any suggestions as what I could eat to alleviate the problem, please? Normally I would have fresh figs, or prunes, and they would do the job, but as I'm not eating fruit, I don't know what to do instead. Thank you for any advice!
Onwards and downwards, everyone!

OldBooks · 21/05/2017 06:52

Shasta I know what you mean about the yoghurt being boring on its own. I have just accepted that it has to be plain. I stir some creme fraiche in which makes it really filling and add flaxseed which at least gives texture.

NamelessEnsign · 21/05/2017 07:59

Hi everyone, I had independently started week one of low carb last week, but it would be good to have some company so have added myself to the spreadsheet.

I'm veggie so I have started with divine cauliflower cheese, an aubergine moussaka thing, quorn bolognaise etc and plenty of eggs. I have lost 2lbs in the last few days, of the 15lbs I need to lose to get back to my fit weight. I actually dropped another half stone below that on my first serious low carb five years ago after DC1. Finding it all much harder with two children!

I have been so ill for the last few weeks and over winter. I let it be my excuse and actually put on 8lbs of the baby weight I had lost. So here I am; no excuses!

Good luck everyone!

lurknolinger · 21/05/2017 08:01

Hello, (waves) I've added myself to the list too! I've been lurking around following LCBC for a couple of years now and successfully lost weight in the past - but like some others this has been followed by carb twattery, and have put most of it back on again. Blush I've never 'signed up' to the list before, so am doing it this time to commit the sticking to the whole ten weeks and get back down to where I want to be. I also want to continue after the 10 weeks and stick to this as a long term WOE so I don't get to the end and 'reward' all my good effort by eating all the things my brain tells me are 'treats' but are not good for me!!! I started BC again a couple of weeks ago and have already lost 6lbs, so I'm expecting a slow down in the next couple of weeks of this Summer BC, as I know that happened last time. I've done a big shop and have meal plan for the week, so am ready to go! Feeling really positive and ready to go . ..I'm having fathead pizza tonight as a treat as I won't be allowed that for a couple of weeks (due to the nuts). Have a good day everyone. See you tomorrow for weigh in. Scooby yes my appetite certainly reduces once I'm properly adapted to fat burning (and also don't ignore when my brain/body is telling me I'm full! Grin)

BIWI · 21/05/2017 08:11

@ShastaBeast - that was a bit disproportionate wasn't it? Hmm What was the point of that? I was trying to give you advice and answer your questions.

I don't 'have a bee in my bonnet' with you - or anyone else - but the fruit issue is an important one because it's one of the rules of Bootcamp!

If you've been doing Bootcamp Light, then you know that fruit is allowed back into the diet (albeit in moderation), along with nuts. So no problem with it at all.

However, the point about breaking the hold that sweet things have over us remains true - whether you're Bootcamping or doing Bootcamp Light.

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BIWI · 21/05/2017 08:15

@DumdeDumdeDum

If you're constipated, then firstly make sure you're eating enough veg and salad, so that you're getting enough fibre.

Drink even more plenty of water, and up the fat content in your diet.

Other things that can help:

strong coffee
exercise - go for a run or a long walk, for example, or do an extra gym session (or two)
a high strength vitamin C tablet (be careful with the soluble ones as they have sweeteners in them, and some of them use potato starch)

If you're really suffering, then sugar-free sweets can also help - just don't eat too many of them as they can have the opposite effect!

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 21/05/2017 08:25

I'm in
I have been doing the 8 week BSD so I generally eat a low carb/high fat diet, but I struggle. Weekends really throw me off course and I still feel like I'm a sugar addict (despite managing to go without most of the time) and always feel like I'm in the initial stages of detox rather than achieving that blissful 'not on my radar' state. Bread/pasta/rice/potatoes etc don't bother me at all; I can quite happily go without. It's the actual sugar and sweet foods.

I'm interested in reading what you all eat and getting some ideas, plus perhaps getting your advice on what I'm eating to see if it's what's making me fall off the wagon!

Going on holiday on Friday, so I might have to lurk and do an 'on plan when I can' strategy.

PrimalLass · 21/05/2017 08:26

Me please. I low carbed from end of March until about 10 days ago. Lost 8lbs. Need to start again as it was going really well.

BIWI · 21/05/2017 08:28

@ScoobyDoosTinklyLaugh

So firstly, I'm worried about how this WOE is going to work when I can eat so much delicious rich food. Does everyones appetite decrease one they're in ketosis. If there's exceptions I bet I'll be one of them

You will find that this is true! Low carb eating (and also restricting your eating to 3 - or 2 in Bootcamp Light - meals a day) will keep your blood sugar levels stable. This means that your hormones - insulin, leptin and grehlin - are kept in balance too. It's the interplay of these hormones that causes you to feel hunger. (In the Western world, hunger is much less about empty tummies and much more about your hormones!)

Just a word of warning though - whilst it's a great joy to be able to eat butter, cheese and cream - low carbing isn't carte blanche to fill your face with mounds of food every day! Keep your portion sizes sensible.

Secondly, what do I do after the 8 weeks? Can I eat moderate amounts of carby stuff or am I then low carb for life? I like baking and I don't want to never be able to eat birthday cake

Firstly, Bootcamp is 10 weeks long. Second, given that it's the carbs that put weight on in the first place, if you simply go back to eating them again after Bootcamp then you will put weight back on again.

The other issue is that everyone tolerates carbs differently - some people can eat quite a lot of carbs per day without putting weight on, some have to be pretty strict. And the only way you can find this out is through trial and error, I'm afraid!

That said, once you're at the right weight, of course you can have things like cake. Or chocolate. Or whatever carby thing you love the most - just not 3 times a day, every day! Grin

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BIWI · 21/05/2017 08:45

WEIGHING - AND THE WEIGH-IN

When I start the first Bootcamp chat thread tomorrow, there will be a link to the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness, which the very lovely SayrraT is working on right now.

If you signed up on the sign-up thread, your name should be on it - but if it isn't, just add your name to the bottom of the list.

However, it's important to say that you don't have to be on the spreadsheet if you don't want to!

If that's the case, just delete your name.

Also, if you would prefer, you can index your weight - so instead of putting your start weight in, you start at 100. For every pound you lose, take one point off.

One thing to bear in mind if you are going to weigh regularly - everybody's scales are different, so always use the same set of scales. If they're battery-operated ones, be aware that sometimes they throw out odd readings when the batteries run down!

How often should you weigh?

This is entirely your decision. There are several different options:

  1. Daily weighing

Daily weighing undoubtedly keeps you focused, and can help you stay on track. However, you should be prepared for the fact that your body weight fluctuates quite naturally on a daily basis. For some people, seeing the scales go up, when they know they haven't eaten or drunk anything they shouldn't, can be very dispiriting. So if you think you can't handle this, then move on to weekly weighing.

One very important thing - if you weigh daily, then the only time you should weigh yourself is first thing in the morning, and stark naked. If you weight later on the day, all you'll be doing is including anything you've eaten and drunk during the day Smile

  1. Averaged daily weighing

If you think you can be a daily weigher, accepting that there are daily fluctuations, then work out what your average weight has been each week, and add this to the spreadsheet

  1. Lowest daily weight in the week

... or alternatively, weigh every day but take the lowest weight of the week as the one you enter into the spreadsheet

  1. Weekly weighing

Weigh yourself on the same day every week. As I start a new thread, with the spreadsheet, every Monday, that's the most logical day to weigh - but it's entirely up to you and your routine. It makes no difference to any of us when you enter your weight on the spreadsheet

And finally you don't have to weigh at all if you prefer not to.

For some people, weighing can become a bit of an obsession, which clearly isn't healthy. If you think this might apply to you, then find other means to track your progress.

The most realistic and revealing way to do this is through your clothes. Find something that's currently just too small for you to wear comfortably. (Not something that's massively too small - so don't pick something that's a size 12 if you're currently a size 18).

Try it on once every week, until it fits you. Then replace with something else that's still a bit too small. It's a huge boost when your clothes start fitting/fitting better!

Alternatively, take your measurements (bust/waist/hips/top of your arms/thigh) and repeat every week.

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CaptainBraandPants · 21/05/2017 08:51

Just read through the thread. I did the last BC - all of it for the first time. Although, I have had some carb twattery recently. My aim for the last BC was to get to then end.
I'm ramping it up this time, so my aims are to get to the end and to stop weighing every day.
I am going to weigh myself tomorrow and then try to not weigh, ideally until the end of BC. I think I'll ask DH to hide the scales. Grin
Have a shop being delivered soon of lots of lovely low carb food.
If anyone is wondering what to cook, the recipe thread is great. I also like the DietDoctor site and ibih site.
Good luck everyone and see you tomorrow on the shiny new thread.

CaptainBraandPants · 21/05/2017 08:53

BIWI cross posted. Grin
I definitely get obsessed about weighing, hence I am going to try and break the habit.

StuntNun · 21/05/2017 08:55

ShastaBeast this vanilla powder is expensive but you only need a tiny amount of it to make yogurt more exciting. If you mix in a little double cream as well it becomes unbelievably lush. After the first two strict weeks of Bootcamp then you can reintroduce one portion of berries per day but do watch out for portion size. It should be 50-100g of berries depending on how carby they are - blueberries are twice as carby (12g carbs per 100g) as strawberries (6g), raspberries (5g) and blackberries (5g). Cherries are somewhere in the middle at 10g carbs per 100g. It might seem obvious but we have had people on past Bootcamps eating an entire punnet of berries and wondering why they weren't losing weight. Pork scratchings are a great low carb snack because they fulfill that desire for something crunchy. Just don't buy the salt and vinegar ones because they're far too more-ish! Do read the labels as some (Mr Porky) contain sugar (dextrose) and rusk whereas the Awfully Posh brand only contain pork rind and salt.

Scooby do you really eat 5000 calories some days or are you guessing? There are foods that it's really easy to massively overeat such as nuts so you might want to keep away from those for the whole of Bootcamp. If you're overeating then it's likely to be a sign that you're insulin resistant and the carbs will be driving the overeating. When you cut carbs your insulin levels will be much more stable and your food intake will naturally drop. To maintain the weight loss after Bootcamp you will need to stay low carb. That's why we tend to describe this as a way of eating rather than a diet. It isn't a quick fix to lose weight, it's a lifestyle change. When you've reached your maintenance weight then a slice of birthday cake on family birthdays isn't going to be a problem but you won't be able to go back to eating sugary foods on a regular basis.

Dumde it's an old wives' tale that eggs make you constipated - they only do that if you don't eat anything else. Make sure you're getting plenty of vegetables and water and it's worth trying some ground flaxseed to help get things moving.

CaptainBra I take the batteries out of my scales if I feel that I'm getting obsessive about weighing. It stops me hopping on them through the day but I can still weigh myself if I really want to.

ASDismynormality · 21/05/2017 09:04

Really looking forward to a new bootcamp starting tomorrow as I'm getting a bit despondent. Seeing it all through the eyes of newbies will hopefully make me feel a bit more inspired.

BIWI · 21/05/2017 09:05

Sorry to hear that, @ASDismynormality - why do you think you're feeling despondent?

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FallenMadonnawiththeBadBoobies · 21/05/2017 09:11

Hi everyone. I'm here for health reasons - rather drastic ones. I've had 2 lots of breast cancer, a year apart, and it's about 4 months since my last chemo. Contrary to popular belief, chemo for breast cancer tends to pile the weight on, rather than take it off. However, no excuses, I was fat before it hit me, and if I stay fat, it will probably come back and hit me again.

Soooooooo - I need to lose 3-4 stones. I've done boot camp before and did lose weight, but I didn't stay the course. I have to this time, so please feel free to kick my backside if I start to waver.

I already have a reasonably healthy diet - I love salad and veggies - but I need to work on the sugar cravings. I'm hoping this will do it. I'll miss the nuts and berries most, but can see the logic, so I'll do my best.

Love and strength to all.

Fallen x

boatgirl81 · 21/05/2017 09:15

Hi everyone, looking forward to the new boot camp, I came in a few weeks later last time and did about 7 weeks but managed to go from 12 stone 2 to just under 11 stone. Have mostly carried it on during the interval, with a few birthdays messing it up but should be starting the bootcamp at around 10 stone 10 pounds.

It really has changed my relationship and attitude to food. I used to have a reoccurring dream about getting stuck in places, the scenery would change but it was always the same, getting stuck trying to squeeze through castle walls, a hedge, some shelving etc! I think it was my subconscious telling me to sort it out and I haven't had that dream in weeks! My BMI is still obese, but only just and only 1 pound to go before I drop into the overweight bracket.

To anyone who is not sure, it is a really good plan that works and BIWI and StuntNun put a lot of time in helping people stay on track.

ScoobyDoosTinklyLaugh · 21/05/2017 09:20

Thanks BIWI and StuntNun.

Yeah I definately do eat that much some days. I think it's when I'm tired I associate food with being a bit of a pick me up, so if I'm tired/bit under the weather I can literally munch all day. I eat lots of good quality, homemade food but I also eat a lot of absolute junk (although I have cut down alot). I don't buy biscuits or cakes anymore as I've been making a big effort to get off the sugar this year but if I'm offered some and then have some I just turn into a giant cake monster and will eat everything in sight.

I drink quite a bit some weekends too - and when I go out I normally drink pints, so that must massively increase my calorie intake some days, however I've already switched to gin and soda now which I like and I'm going to go booze free for the first two weeks of bootcamp.

I'm going to weigh myself today in boots, I can't be trusted to not be weird with scales in the house.

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