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Inbetween BCs Thread #2

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SayraT · 23/04/2015 08:05

We filled up the last thread and we still have 3 weeks to go until the next official BC so here is our new inbetween BC thread.

Link to previous thread

So, I was good yesterday and now all of my confessions are lost on the previous thread Grin but I am going to carry on with daily weighing and food recording so this morning I weighed 225 lbs.

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readyforno2 · 26/04/2015 21:44

Amax! That is fantastic news. Congratulations.
I've been pretty good today
B - cheese and bacon omelette
L - beef with salad and coleslaw
D - mince with mashed cauliflower

2 1/2 l water but have another pint beside me

BerylStreep · 26/04/2015 22:36

arse. ds threw a rock at dd and I suspect he has bloody well broken her ankle. Am stress eating in response.

BerylStreep · 26/04/2015 22:44

Not only that, but I went to my nephew's b'day party this afternoon, and my bil's alcoholic, misogynistic father came up to me and smirked, as he put his hand on my stomach, and said in a sarcastic way, 'congratulations'. I told him not to be so rude, and walked off. I know he is socially inadequate, but it still pissed me off. I. Have never liked the man.

Gcalgske · 27/04/2015 00:22

Yuck beryl, I would have decked the creep. hope DD is ok. X

DramaAlpaca · 27/04/2015 00:41

Beryl what a nasty piece of work, good on you for standing up to him. Hope your DD is OK. Sounds like a stressful day all round.

LexLoofah · 27/04/2015 00:46

beryl gosh that is awful behaviour, what a Prick - (the father not your DS I mean)

b - thought I would try scramble in cocnut oil as low on butter( gulp- shopping tmrw) lovely, half avo but was stuffed after, cuppa
L - cucumber, salad cream, cauli pepper & pepperoni pizza sayra they reheated just fine. I had already baked the bases before I froze them so put in the oven from frozen for 10 mins, flipped, topped and back in for another 10-15 mins. I make individual ones which works well
D - have a whole chicken sitting in the slow cooker, thinking chicken and chips using turnip matchsticks in bacon fat with buttered broccoli - not serving in a basket though Smile

Dumdedumdedum · 27/04/2015 06:12

Good morning, all! Congratulations to everyone for keeping at it and doing so well and all the weight that's being lost!

Amaxapax - gosh, congratulations, how lovely for you and what a good idea to keep low carbing through your pregnancy.
Beryl - great reply, must say I'd have been so gobsmacked by such rudeness I wouldn't have know what to say!

I've had a rubbish few days what with one thing and another and though have not eaten any of my usual downfalls (bread and potatoes are my favourite foods), have still managed to put back on half the weight I lost in my first 8 days. I think probably eating half a jar of home-made mayo at a time (best spread on freshly made wholemeal bread but I can eat it off the spoon if I must!), all the new batch of Parmesan crisps in one go and stuffing myself with loads of mixed nuts may not be the way to go here.. I also had two glasses of white wine when we were out at a buffet dinner the other evening, but refrained from dessert, at least. I have a couple of occasions before 11th May when I know I will be giving myself permission to drink a couple of glasses of Champagne but am hoping to manage to stick to eating low carb high fat otherwise till then. Though demoralising in one way, I do find it best to weigh daily so that I can work out what I'm doing right and wrong. I think I probably need to come to BC daily as well Grin

Thank you to everyone who gives support and advice here Flowers Flowers Flowers Here's to the start of a good week Flowers

Romeyroo · 27/04/2015 06:51

Aw, Dumdedum, sorry you have had a rubbish few days, for me, the wine and the nuts would do it, so if you get back on the BC wagon, the 4lb will go again and you will be back on track Flowers

Daily weighing helps here too, though I appear to be STS at the moment. I have decided to do a food and weight diary offline to see what connections I can make with when I bounce (range of 1lb either side of sts weight). I have reduced portion sizes and it is not helping. I have a feeling cheese and dark chocolate are the likely issueSad

beryl, Shock on your behalf, good response

Fatstacks · 27/04/2015 06:52

Morning Pals Smile
Well done to everyone for plodding on.

Bils df sounds a dick Beryl well done for not jabbing him in the eye.

My totm eating everything that doesn't run away cravings have passed without major slip ups.
1.2 lb down so I'm chuffed.

Koko Grin

TheHappyCamper · 27/04/2015 07:29

Morning all BC'ers. Well done for keeping going through another weekend. This thread is great!

Weight holding steady at 6-7lbs down (day 23). I'm pretty happy with that although a whoosh would also be welcome! Took dd 6 to a party yesterday and the host was giving out beer and hotdogs. I managed to avoid both without appearing rude which was my big worry. I have decided if I get stuck I'm going to say I've gone gluten free as people seem to understand that quite well. I don't really want to go into the LCHF thing as they won't understand or believe me Grin.

Food - Sunday
B: fried eggs and sausage
L: chicken in cheese & pine nuts with spinach and coleslaw
S: courgette muffin and handful almonds
D: not hungry really, FF greek yog & cream with handful berries & flax.

Lots of water and black teas.

I have never liked avocados but I have bought 4. They are rock hard! How long will they take to ripen and what shall I do with them?

justonemorethread · 27/04/2015 07:35

Hello everyone,
Hope you don't mind if I join you here in anticipation of the next bootcamp? I'd like to sign up for the 11th May one (is there somewhere where I should sign up 'officially?').

I've been trying to follow the guidelines although haven't been as strict as I should, would love to know if you think what I ate yesterday was too much.

I have another low carb plan my friend gave me and it says you should aim for 150gm of protein a day, and I'm really struggling to achieve that.

Breakfast - A small mountain of fried tomatoes and onions in olive oil
2 fried eggs
half a sausage

Snack - handful of olives

Lunch - Greek salad lettuce/tomatoes/Feta cheese

Snack - fist-sized portion of stir fried eggplant from previous day chinese take away!

Dinner - 1 large avocado 3/4 tin of tuna

Late night failure - 4 squares of dark chocolate!!!!

Apart from the chocolate, I now realise that sausages can't really count as protein due to their processed nature, and are tomatoes ok or not?

Also on the other plan my friend gave me dairy is a no-no, but I see people here are eating cheese etc. Can I have a splash of milk in my black coffee?

Thank you, I'm looking forward to getting on the right track!

Gcalgske · 27/04/2015 08:34

Hi just welcome.

The boot camp rules are on the spreadsheet somewhere just I'm rubbish with tech though so can't link...
Milk has carbs so generally to be avoided. Cheese / cream are lower in carbs but can cause some people to stall. On BC proper they are advised against and are one of the first areas to look at if you stop losing. Butter is allowed. For coffee I use butter and coconut oil (make it in a blender, it's like a creamy latte - Google bullet proof coffee) or almond milk - alpro unsweetened is 0.1g/100mls. Looking at your menu I would say it's ok but 'a mountain' of tomato might be too much. Maybe weigh it and see what size of portion you are having? Tomato is 3.3g/100g (ish - can't reach the carb counter, child sleeping on me) so ok but in moderation. Onions are high (8g/100g) so I swap for keek, shallot or spring onion. The sausages count as protein but are heavily processed as you say and can have lots of hidden carbs. The stirfried eggplant might have added nasties (corn flour/ sugar) best to ask for it to be prepared for you without (if you didn't already that is)
Re. Protein I'm not very good on the sciencey stuff (Biwi, stunt or Sayra?) but I think that too much protein converts to sugar in the body. I'm not sure if 150g is right but what you have you should aim for fatty cuts of good quality meat, fish etc. also add fat in where you can (a nice oily dressing in the tuna/avocado for example)
Dark chocolate in moderation is something I enjoy too. Good luck!

Gcalgske · 27/04/2015 08:35

*leek not keek

nappyaddict · 27/04/2015 08:57

Day 21 for me and have lost 8lbs so far. The 2lbs I put back on yesterday and were still there when I weighed at bedtime have gone this morning.

BerylStreep · 27/04/2015 08:58

HappyCamper I put hard avocados in the fruit bowl with bananas to help ripen them.

Justonemorethread welcome. I don't think the spreadsheet is up and running at the moment for recording weights (I know Sayra spends a lot of time on it when BC is actually running) but here are the rules

THE RULES

These are the BC rules for the first two weeks.

  1. Eat three proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn't have to be a lot, and it doesn't have to be absolutely first thing, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you’re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn't be hungry between meals. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack). After the first two weeks of Bootcamp we will relax this, but these two weeks are critical in terms of helping you switch easily to a low carb way of eating - and if you start to feel hungry, it makes things much harder! Eating this way will ensure that your blood sugar levels are kept stable, which will mean that you are much less likely to experience hunger. A typical high carbohydrate diet can mean that snacking is a routine part of your day. Once your blood sugar levels are stable, by eating low carb, you should find that you no longer want to snack. But the rule of thumb here is ‘if you are hungry, eat!’. (Just make sure you are only choosing low carb snacks, of course!).

Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals - meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, eg. Atkins Daybreak bars.

  1. Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat will not make you fat. Honestly! But it will keep your appetite satisfied, and it sustains your body’s energy requirements perfectly. Fat does not provoke an insulin spike, unlike carbs which do (a lot) and protein (a little). Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat – e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food.
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. Make sure that you focus on eating those vegetables that are 3g carb per 100g or less, and this will ensure that your carb counts are kept low. You don’t have to weigh/count carbs – this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you’re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.
  1. Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited).
Dairy can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. There are a lot of carbs in milk, so if you are having several cups of tea/coffee per day, you will quickly rack up your daily carb count (e.g. 1 medium latte contains more than 12g carbs!) You may eat cheese but again, don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best
  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. This is from www.low-carbdiet.co.uk/. Water is essential to weight loss for those who eat low-carb. The minimum consumed in a day should be: Your Weight----Litres 140lbs-----2.5 160lbs-----3.0 180lbs-----3.0 200lbs-----3.5 220lbs-----3.5 240lbs-----4.0 260lbs-----4.5 280lbs-----4.5 300lbs-----5.0 320lbs-----5.5 340lbs-----5.5 360lbs-----6.0 380lbs-----6.5 400lbs-----6.5 High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects: aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour. However, drinking a lot of water can mean that you also need to keep an eye on your electrolyte balance. You need to make sure that you are consuming sufficient sodium and potassium. On a low carb diet we can eat more salt, so make sure that you are cooking with salt and adding salt to food, if you like it. Good, low carb, sources of potassium are spinach (raw), avocado, mushrooms, courgettes and asparagus, as well as salmon and yoghurt."
  1. No alcohol.
Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for the body to burn, so it will always use this first before it starts to burn any fat - which is why you need to restrict it, especially in the first two weeks of Bootcamp, when we are encouraging the body to stop using carbs for its source of fuel and turn to fat-burning instead. If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.
  1. No fruit.
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada. After Bootcamp you will be able to introduce certain fruits, but at this stage fruit is simply too carby. We are also trying to break the addiction to sweet things, so cutting fruit out is part of this process. If you are getting all your carbs from vegetables and salad, you will be getting all the nutrients and fibre that you need.
  1. No nuts/seeds.
  1. No sugar or artificial sweeteners. Sugar is an obvious ‘no no’, but artificial sweeteners are also an issue. One of the aims of this way of eating is to eat pure and natural foods, so including sweeteners is not recommended. Some people find that artificial sweeteners can impede their weight loss, and there is some suggestion that your body can respond to sweeteners as if they were sugar, by releasing more insulin - and therefore laying down fat. Given that the aim of Bootcamp is to help us lose our sweet tooth and addiction to sweet things, then it is a good idea to avoid sweeteners altogether in this first two weeks.

THE RULES BClite

After the first two weeks some of the rules are relaxed slightly, I have listed the changes here.

  1. Eat when you’re hungry - if you’re not hungry, don’t eat
In Bootcamp, you should have been eating three meals a day. The point of this being to ensure that you got used to eating proper meals, and so that your blood sugar is regulated and stable. Having achieved that, you can now relax this a little bit. If you find you’re not hungry - which often happens, because ketosis suppresses your appetite - then don’t force yourself to eat. But don’t let yourself get so hungry that you make inappropriate choices! Always make sure you have plenty of low carb food to access quickly, if you need to.
  1. Avoid processed food
  1. Eat lots of fat
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn’t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best. If you’ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this – but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.
  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial! Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you’re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.
  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please – only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information – these are the carb counts: Rhubarb – 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don’t forget you will need to sweeten this – and not with sugar!) Blackberries – 4.4g carbs per 100g Raspberries – 4.6g carbs per 100g Strawberries – 6g carbs per 100g Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)
  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. As an occasional snack they are great, but keep it occasional and keep the portions to a small handful at most. Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury’s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag. Here are some carb counts – BUT – check the back of your packets as I don’t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts: Brazils 3.1g carbs per 100g Walnuts 3.3g carbs per 100g Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g Hazelnuts 4.8g carbs per 100g Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g
  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us – and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable – occasionally – to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.
lisbapalea · 27/04/2015 09:32

Hello all!

I haven't been on this thread yet but have been lurking as I dip my toe into the LCHF waters! I had a really good, pretty well disciplined first 7-10 days (lost 4lbs in week one) on thie WOE, but have just come back from a very boozy weekend away and it was a total carb fiasco, so my weigh in today showed I had pretty much regained the 4lb I had lost at last Monday's weigh in.

I am currently 13st 10 and my goal is to be under 11st 7lb (am 5ft 8). I would like to be under 13st when I start my new job in two months time, but don't know how feasible that is.

As well as fecking up with carb intake over the weekend I also failed to drink even half as much water over as I should be drinking so I am going mad for water today. I am back on the low carb wagon today but am struggling with slightly sparse fridge / cupboard contents .

Breakfast - a large dollop of total full fat yog, 2tbsp ground flaxseed and 2 tbsp chopped canteloupe melon (I know fruit isn't good but I think / hope that canteloupe is reasonably low carb as fruits go?)

Lunch - not sure what it will be as am going to be with my Mum and am trying not to tell her what i am doing as she will sabotage / question too much

Dinner - large tuna salad with boiled eggs, asparagus, avocado, olive oil, olives etc.

SayraT · 27/04/2015 09:32

Thanks for posting the rules Beryl Smile

Welcome just in a week or so (I think) BIWI will set up a sign up thread and then I will set up a new spreadsheet for the next BC. While it would be good to have a spreadsheet running all the time it does take up a bit of time and I can't manage to have a permanent spreadsheet.

Looking at your food Just tomatoes and onion can be too carby on BC so be careful if you are having a "mountain". As gcal said we limit dairy on this WOE (especially the first 2 weeks) but some people can deal with dairy while others can't. If weight-loss stalls then the first thing to look as is too much dairy or too little fat.

The amount of protein I am not too sure on. Your ratios should be fat:protein:carbs so eat fatty cuts of meat and add fat to things. Was your tuna in oil and did you add mayo to it? These are the types of things you need to do.

I need to go to work now but if oyu have any other questions then just ask and someone will be able to help Smile

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StuntNun · 27/04/2015 09:35

Camper I tried the gluten-free excuse but it backfired when someone went out and got gluten-free biscuits for me. Confused

Justonemorethread 150g of protein is at least twice what you need. Could it be from a low carb high protein plan such as Protein Power? Excess protein can be converted to glucose so it could be counterproductive to eat so much unless you're doing serious weight training. Tomatoes and onions are carby so eat in small quantities. Are you eating enough fat? Lots of mayo on your tuna for instance? Dairy stalls some people but I would include it at first and only try cutting it if weightloss stalls. Milk isn't actually that carby but it is insulinogenic so it has a bigger effect than you would expect so keep milk to a minimum. There are reports that raw milk is fine but I've never tried it myself. Greek yoghurt, butter, double cream and low carb cheese (check the label for 1g carbs per 100g or less) are all allowed on Bootcamp Light.

sassandfaff · 27/04/2015 11:28

I'm busy Marie kondo- ing my house again.

I'm being twice as ruthless as last time!

Bread bin, pasta and spaghetti jars and biscuit jars are all going.

Dp wants the toaster gone too, but I do occasionally buy the dc's hot cross buns and dd1 likes them toasted. Although it seems a bit of a faff to save it for a once in 1-2 month usage!

I've done all downstairs now. Upstairs tomorrow. And then I'm painting.

Lived here 2 years in June and not decorated yet. Grass needs cutting, house and roof need power washing. Neighbours will be thinking we are the clampets!

I would never have had the energy before.

Hello to anyone new.

beryl I admire your restraint. 'Prick' would have flew out my mouth.

HolgerDanske · 27/04/2015 11:29

Hit cross buns are even better done on the grill or warmed gently in the oven. I am kondoing as well and have got rid of my toaster Smile

HolgerDanske · 27/04/2015 11:32

Hot cross buns! Hit cross buns are probably too squashed to be yummy Grin

sassandfaff · 27/04/2015 11:33

You are right holger I will get rid. Grin

My kitchen is going to be extremely minimalist. I love it!

Going loading up my car now, for a tip and charity shop run.

Patapouf · 27/04/2015 11:37

I'm so glad there's an in between thread. I going to busy myself RTFT now Smile

LCd briefly last year with great success, I've put it all back on plus lots more so I have some renewed motivation to stick with it this time!

obrigada · 27/04/2015 12:20

Marking my place, want to do the low carb bootcamp on 11th May so going to try and get a handle on low carbing between then and now.

Egg mayo for brekkie

Chicken fillet and veg (with garlic butter) for lunch

Dinner - to be decided

justonemorethread · 27/04/2015 12:26

Thank you all for your replies! I'm glad to hear 150gm protein is twice as much as I need. I think it must be from some high protein plan given out by a personal trainer, so I guess it is accounting for a lot of weight training.

I was feeling sick at the thought of eating that much meat etc..

I have fallen off the wagon spectacularly today and had a cappuccino and a cookie, followed by a packet of peanut m&ms, all because I was having crappy, crappy morning.

I am resolved to succeed though so I will get straight back on the wagon with a light lunch and I won't allow it to throw me back in to the pit of bad eating habits!!!