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Week 5 - Low Carb Bootcamp - The cheating stops here

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StuntNun · 02/06/2014 06:33

Hello again and it's time for weigh in. The cheating seems to have edged up a bit in the last week so I want to remind everyone that cheating is a really bad idea and will hinder your weight loss. It's called Bootcamp for a reason. We only want ten weeks from you and the cheat foods will still be there at the end of Bootcamp. But for now no cheats please. Next time you're tempted remember it isn't the last scone/cake/wine in the world.

If you need a reminder or you're joining Bootcamp partway through, the rules are on the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness and you can also track your weight on the Weight Tracker.

As promised last week I've written some info on the science behind diets...

How do we lose weight?

First, why don't low fat restricted calorie diets work? It comes down to homeostasis: our bodies actively resist change. For some reason in humans our resistance to weight change appears to be asymmetric, that is we resist losing weight much more effectively than we resist gaining weight. Most of us have experienced first hand the gradual increase in weight over time, or the more abrupt but still unshiftable weight gain that happens with pregnancy. Basically it's easy to gain weight but difficult to lose weight. So we go on a reduced calorie diet, eating 1800 calories while our bodies are expending 2000 calories. We may lose some weight at first but eventually eating 1800 calories becomes the norm and our bodies resist the change by dropping the metabolic rate to match calorie output to input. But, and here's the problem, the metabolic rate might drop to reduce calorie expenditure by 300 calories rather than 200 in order to regain the lost weight and get back to our normal weight. So weight loss stops, we get disheartened and quit the diet and our reduced metabolic rate allows the weight to pile back on and then some, just in case we encounter this artificial famine again in the future.

So what's different about a low carb diet? One of the key rules of Bootcamp is to eat when you're hungry. This works to prevent the reduced metabolic rate that scuppers a reduced calorie diet. When you start eating a low carb diet and you have exhausted your glycogen stores, the liver starts converting fat from your diet into ketones. Your muscles start using ketones and then adapt to using fatty acids for energy. Your brain uses ketones and glucose from your diet along with glucose produced from protein by gluconeogenesis. The low levels of insulin induced by a low carb diet allow fatty acids to flow freely in and out of fat cells. It is this free flow of fatty acids from your fat cells that allows you to lose weight on a low carb diet without restricting calories. Your muscles cannot distinguish whether fatty acids came directly from your digestive system or from your fat cells, they just use them up as needed. As you adapt to the low carb diet, there is a reduction in your appetite in response to the ready availability of energy at all times. A low carb diet works simply by allowing your muscles and liver to freely use fatty acids released from your fat cells.

Good luck for the coming week. Keep on keeping on.

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sybsie · 03/06/2014 06:50

Hello Irian, wow you have done well! 8lb in 3 weeks is fab. I too am a returning LCer, starting from a similar place to you but sadly need to get a bit lower than you. My size 14s are tight, when the 12s used to be loose. I am today wearing a pair of jeans which I almost threw out last year as being so big I could get them off without undoing the zip! Not so now alas. ooops.

Still, onwards and downwards

Seri77 · 03/06/2014 06:52

Stayed the same again, which is best I could hope for. I've been upping my fat and I think I'd lost earlier in the week as I now have hollows above my collarbones.

However endured a vomiting bug over the weekend. Very little actual vomiting, mostly hideous non stop nausea & retching but not much sleep, not enough water and the only thing I fancied apart from toast/crackers was cheesecake. So I made a small low carb one and ate that.

I'm better now, back on track yesterday with salad & pork belly but still really struggling to drink water, not usually a problem.

antimatter · 03/06/2014 07:07

StuntNun - I can only say from my own experience. I was on LC few years ago and during pre-christmas pub meets only ever had vodka with soda and fresh lime. I remember having allowance of 10 drinks on one night (from work) - I must have had most of it... Didn't put on an ounce.

A glass of red wine stalls me for 2 days.

I know that calories in vodka are burned first but if I remember well our bodies don't have ability/mechanism to store energy created by burning those calories.

SarahBeenysBumblingApprentice · 03/06/2014 07:30

Antimatter/Stunt Bloody hell, my biochem is rusty and I've written and deleted three very inaccurate posts about alcohol metabolism! In summary though, isn't it the usual issue - carbs>insulin >gets energy into cells > stored as fat. So alcohol in the presence of carbs i.e. beer, wine, a mojito Sad = more energy into cells = fat.

Alcohol without carbs will be burned first but again, it's extra and empty calories which may or may not be an issue depending on how close to your goal you are.

Today: one of my pounds from yesterday had buggered off and I feel a whole lot better for not being a dry as a bone. I was so groggy yesterday that I forgot to put blusher on and walked around work all day like a ghost.

Hope you're feeling better soon, Seri

Hello Irian

IrianofWay · 03/06/2014 07:38

OK, confesssion time. I drank wine or beer every days last week apart from Monday! Never very much admittedly. I have never really restricted booze intake on LC - of course I don;t know how much more I would have lost without it.

SarahBeenysBumblingApprentice · 03/06/2014 07:44

Re: alcohol - ignore me, talking rubbish! Will get books out (for longer) later.

Suzymoo09 · 03/06/2014 07:56

Parsnipcake great post, I agree. Thanks

teawithlemon · 03/06/2014 08:12

No change for me, not really surprised at that. My body seems far more reluctant to lose fat this time around, and whilst I've certainly cheated, it's not been huge amounts. I suppose years of dieting have made me more resistant! Breakfast will be bacon, lunch a salad and supper no idea, need to hit the recipe thread. Well done to everyone!

olivesnutsandcheese · 03/06/2014 09:43

Can't quite remember who mentioned it, stuntnun?? but green tea with coconut oil - what a revelation!!

it's going to be my new breakfast of choice. Just need to get DS to self amuse for 5 mins so I can enjoy it in peace Grin

StuntNun · 03/06/2014 10:05

I've never tried green tea with coconut oil Olives maybe I'll try that tomorrow as I'm hitting the BPC right now. Rooibos tea with coconut oil is luvverly though and doesn't need to be blended.

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pudding25 · 03/06/2014 11:22

Thanks for the alcohol advice! Not going to overdo it anyway so will have a couple of vodkas and maybe one red wine with dinner.

SarahBeenysBumblingApprentice · 03/06/2014 11:23

Right, alcohol (now I'm awake [blushes] from earlier. I'd somehow got it into my head that alcohol could behave as a sugar. Just goes to show how information rusts when it's not been used in 10 years!

Alcohol is metabolised directly to ketones (acetate), which is used just like any ketone. Gram for gram it's energy value is very similar to fats: 9 cal/ g for fat, 8 cal/g for alcohol. A unit of alcohol is 8g, therefore 64 calories before any additional carbohydrate is added. A pint of beer is roughly 250 calories, so assuming that pint of beer has 2iu of alcohol it has 122 calories from carbs which is 30g of carbohydrate.

Blimey, that's a whole day of carbs in one pint of beer! So in summary, that's what causes beer bellies Grin

BIWI · 03/06/2014 14:07

Afternoon all.

Back to Bootcamp for me, after a lovely holiday. Today's menu:

B - 2 hard boiled eggs with butter
L - 150g chicken breast chunks, first cooked in butter and then with the addition of some wholegrain mustard and double cream, with a mixed salad and a vinaigrette dressing
D - (will be) more chicken (need to go shopping!) with roast whatever there is in the fridge by way of low carb veg

First litre of water downed, along with indigestion remedy Sad - am still suffering from heartburn from all the carbs. Thankfully my IBS, which was threatening to flare up again, hasn't - but this is a real reminder that carbs are not good for my digestion. Am also suffering from more hot flushes than before too.

Pisseslikeahorse · 03/06/2014 17:11

Afternoon all

Think Ive cracked the Keto Adapted barrier, just had a great run, no hunger afterwards & felt like I could have just gone on for ages. Grin So it took me just over 4 weeks of very strict bootcamp with NO CHEATING!!!!!!

sorry but all the cheating talk is really starting to piss me off, I don't want to know about how you accidentally fell into a bottle of wine or just couldn't turn down that canapé. I don't even eat f*ing cheese, that I love, as I don’t want to fail Angry

Sorry for the rant, its been building up over the last couple of weeks, If you want to cheat then please don't revel in it on here, its destructive.

why does this seem to be working for me, well I have a very unhealthy obsessive nature that this WOE fits. I drink a pint of water every time I think in hungry and, most importantly, use this forum like a mental crutch.

Pisseslikeahorse · 03/06/2014 17:13

whoops.. forgot

B. salmon & eggs
L. Yogurt BPC
D. green tai veg curry

StuntNun · 03/06/2014 17:25

Does anyone have any low carb recipes for liver? I only know one way to cook liver and it involves flour.

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BIWI · 03/06/2014 17:32

Just do it in butter, and leave out the flour?

BIWI · 03/06/2014 17:33

And I absolutely agree, pisses

STOP THE CHEATING - OR AT LEAST STOP TALKING ABOUT IT ON THIS THREAD

Seriously, folks, the talk about cheating can be a real trigger for some people, and it's very disheartening for me to read as well.

Plus, of course, it won't be helping you ...

pingufan · 03/06/2014 17:35

Cravings been horrible this afternoon after this weekends carb and sugar fest. I can't believe that 2 days of eating carbs and drinking alcohol can make me gain almost 4lbs and make me feel nauseous and bloated and now make me feel even worse 2 days later!

I did low carb on Friday right up until 5pm when I had a few glasses of wine and a burger and chips and within an hour or two I had stomach cramps, felt dizzy and sick. I felt strange and light headed all weekend then but felt the need to eat carbs to soak up the alcohol.

I stopped eating carbs on Sunday afternoon so it wasn't very long that I ate and drank badly for and I can't believe how much damage it did.

How on earth do you maintain weight afterwards? Does it mean I can never eat any carbs or drink alcohol again without bad side effects? I felt like I'd completely poisoned my system!

Today's food
B 2 buttered scrambled eggs
L salmon and salad with olive oil and apple cider vinegar dressing, mayo
D roast chicken leg and buttered mushrooms

Lotsa water!

pingufan · 03/06/2014 17:37

Oops sorry, I'm talking about my weekend of excesses apologies everyone. In fact, read what it's done to me I'm a lesson that it's NOT BLOODY WORTH IT!

CQ · 03/06/2014 17:39

Epic cross-post Pingu there's a bloody big BIWI-wielded stick coming your way Grin

StuntNun · 03/06/2014 17:46

Pingu things will settle down although your alcohol tolerance may take a nose dive. When you're at maintenance you can add in carbier foods such as carrots, apples and sweet potato. Honestly though your attitude to food changes on this WOE. When I walk into a shop and see racks of chocolate and crisps they now just irritate me because they seem like such a waste of space.

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pingufan · 03/06/2014 17:57

Lol, yes I posted then though shiiiit! But honestly, this girly weekend had been planned months ago. It wasn't a fall off the bandwagon just for the sake of it. I did go with he the intention of sticking to clear spirits and low carb food but it so difficult in a group when you are expected to share bottles of wine and pitchers of cocktails.

I think it's a lesson learned though as I immediately felt bloody horrible as soon as I'd eaten that first carb loaded meal. Something has changed though as they all bought doughnuts on the Sunday and the thought of them just turned me along with the endless nuts and crisps that they snacked on all weekend.

I truly couldn't wait to get back to eating clean on Monday morning.

miffy49 · 03/06/2014 18:04

Hiya,
I'm new to posting on here but have had a little lurk! Is it too late to join you all on Bootcamp. I realise you are halfway through. I'm not new to low carb but I'm well and truly stuck and need some motivation.

Velocirapture · 03/06/2014 18:12

Stayed the same!