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Low-carb bootcamp

Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Week 5 - Low Carb Bootcamp - The cheating stops here

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StuntNun · 02/06/2014 06:33

Hello again and it's time for weigh in. The cheating seems to have edged up a bit in the last week so I want to remind everyone that cheating is a really bad idea and will hinder your weight loss. It's called Bootcamp for a reason. We only want ten weeks from you and the cheat foods will still be there at the end of Bootcamp. But for now no cheats please. Next time you're tempted remember it isn't the last scone/cake/wine in the world.

If you need a reminder or you're joining Bootcamp partway through, the rules are on the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness and you can also track your weight on the Weight Tracker.

As promised last week I've written some info on the science behind diets...

How do we lose weight?

First, why don't low fat restricted calorie diets work? It comes down to homeostasis: our bodies actively resist change. For some reason in humans our resistance to weight change appears to be asymmetric, that is we resist losing weight much more effectively than we resist gaining weight. Most of us have experienced first hand the gradual increase in weight over time, or the more abrupt but still unshiftable weight gain that happens with pregnancy. Basically it's easy to gain weight but difficult to lose weight. So we go on a reduced calorie diet, eating 1800 calories while our bodies are expending 2000 calories. We may lose some weight at first but eventually eating 1800 calories becomes the norm and our bodies resist the change by dropping the metabolic rate to match calorie output to input. But, and here's the problem, the metabolic rate might drop to reduce calorie expenditure by 300 calories rather than 200 in order to regain the lost weight and get back to our normal weight. So weight loss stops, we get disheartened and quit the diet and our reduced metabolic rate allows the weight to pile back on and then some, just in case we encounter this artificial famine again in the future.

So what's different about a low carb diet? One of the key rules of Bootcamp is to eat when you're hungry. This works to prevent the reduced metabolic rate that scuppers a reduced calorie diet. When you start eating a low carb diet and you have exhausted your glycogen stores, the liver starts converting fat from your diet into ketones. Your muscles start using ketones and then adapt to using fatty acids for energy. Your brain uses ketones and glucose from your diet along with glucose produced from protein by gluconeogenesis. The low levels of insulin induced by a low carb diet allow fatty acids to flow freely in and out of fat cells. It is this free flow of fatty acids from your fat cells that allows you to lose weight on a low carb diet without restricting calories. Your muscles cannot distinguish whether fatty acids came directly from your digestive system or from your fat cells, they just use them up as needed. As you adapt to the low carb diet, there is a reduction in your appetite in response to the ready availability of energy at all times. A low carb diet works simply by allowing your muscles and liver to freely use fatty acids released from your fat cells.

Good luck for the coming week. Keep on keeping on.

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SarahBeenysBumblingApprentice · 04/06/2014 17:56

Thanks for that Scous, I had a google earlier but couldn't find the info. In that case, I can recommend the tea, it was gorgeous! Much much nicer than peppermint tea.

Parsnipcake · 04/06/2014 18:10

Sarahbeeny, have you tried the salted caramel green tea? It's very smooth and soothing.

BIWI · 04/06/2014 19:14

If you're drinking the right amount of water, the ketostix won't show up anyway, so it's pointless wasting your money!

StuntNun · 04/06/2014 19:22

You don't have to be in ketosis on this WOE. Some people lose weight fine with carbs in the 50-100g range.

Elma I mix 100g 70% chocolate with 100ml double cream and 20g butter then pour into a Lakeland silicon chocolate mould and leave in the fridge for four hours to set. It makes about 20 small squidgy chocolates each 2g carbs max. If you don't have a mould you can leave it to set in the bowl after mixing then shape with a melon baller. If you want to be really fancy you can dip them in melted chocolate or roll them in chopped nuts but this will up the carb count. Using 85% chocolate would drop the carb count by about 0.5g per chocolate. They are less carby than the equivalent weight of chocolate but be warned they are dangerous moreish. Next time I make them I'm going to halve the quantity as otherwise I will keep sneaking back to the fridge until they're all gone.

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Ohwhatfuckeryisthis · 04/06/2014 19:33

I'm well back on it, but am virtually back to my starting weight. Hoping for a whoosh,but am feeling sluggish. Work is crazy busy and stressful, so getting organised to make lunch is real chore(and I'm too fucked at night to bother making in advance) Sick of salads.(queuing for microwave leaves me about 5minutes) I'm bored with food.

BIWI · 04/06/2014 19:38

Good piece here, on optimal ketosis

monkeyfacegrace · 04/06/2014 20:26

Dh is sat next to me with a box of malteasers.

Talk to me!

SarahBeenysBumblingApprentice · 04/06/2014 20:31

Thanks BIWI - that's that article I read that made me think I would start tracking ketones. I certainly don't loose weight on 50-100g carbs; not without being very hungry anyway! I'm trying not to fork out for the blood monitoring strips - now they really are expensive - and the urine sticks are really quite cheap. I'm aware I may be wasting my time and that they are inaccurate but that's not going to stop me Grin. For me, it's an extra bit of motivation that keeps me on the straight and narrow.

The diet doctor makes a point that I actually think is much more relevant than whether you have ketones present to not but I can't find the link! Anyway, he says that if you're hungry, you haven't suppressed your insulin enough yet, which I find a really good rule of thumb.

CQ · 04/06/2014 20:36

monkey go and brush your teeth, quick. Then you won't want maltesers.

And tell DH he's being an unsupportive fecker

KinkyDorito · 04/06/2014 20:37

pisses thank you for replying to me this morning - I appreciate it. I was very fed up and suspect my post got lost among the share/don't share debate. I do weigh each day, but my weight doesn't normally fluctuate that wildly. To gain 3lbs overnight when I've followed the plan to the letter is quite unusual for me.

Does low carb eating make your weight fluctuate more than it would normally?

On a standard, low fat, SW style diet, the down is always a gradual down for me. So I might lose 5lbs in the first week, then 2lbs a week, occasionally might go up 1lb.

This week, I dropped 5lbs in two days, stayed the same until day 6, weighed in on day 7 having gained 3. It's really weird.

I've carried on today through feeling fed up. I'm just hoping I start to see a loss soon and that I'm not plateauing already!!! I have to lose 4st, so it should be dropping off.

I did ask this morning whether having done low carb a few months ago would mean that my weight loss might not work as well this time? Will it still work? Feeling worried.

Thanks in advance for any help or advice.

Scousadelic · 04/06/2014 20:39

Smack his head in monkey. Won't stop your hunger but might make you feel better! Grin

Btw I can drink Diet Coke but Pepsi Max makes me so hungry I could chew the furniture. Maybe that is part of your hunger problem today

Scousadelic · 04/06/2014 20:45

Kinky Someone posted a graph a while back of their weight loss and it is not linear at all on low carb. I try to only weigh once a week as I get fixated on it otherwise and panicked when it is not going down

I think someone posted a while back about it being harder to do low carb after the first time but we I think we decided it was probably more to do with rule-bending and being a bit blasé.

If you keep going it will go as soon as it came. I have on occasion gone up on the scales and down in measurements so don't despair

BIWI · 04/06/2014 20:46

Kinky - is this your first week?

First thing to say is - you have still lost weight! I know you've got a way to go, but at least you've started. I'm not trying to minimise things but just to give you something positive to hang on to here.

Second, is it your period/just before your period? This can have a significant effect on weight.

Third, are you really, really, really following Bootcamp rules? Are you eating loads of fat? Are you drinking the amount of water that you should be?

Fourth, if you're switching from one diet to another, yes, it can take a bit of time for your body to sort itself out, from everything that I've read. You need to stick to something and follow it consistently.

If you have low carbed before and it worked, then it will work again. You just need to be patient.

Flowers
BIWI · 04/06/2014 20:52

Bird I'm not going to rehash the whole argument, but just wanted to highlight this:

"The problem is, I feel, that a blanket ban on any mention of cheating/slipping isn't going to help those who are struggling and just adds to the shame and failure issues so many people with weight or food problems already have."

There will be no blanket ban of anything! Everyone is free to talk about whatever they want to on this thread, like any other on Mumsnet (as long as we're not resorting to personal attacks of course).

"Also repeated angry and frustrated responses could easily put people off of either posting on the thread at all or even continuing bootcamp all together. We need to find a balance where by people are supportive of one another and considerate of everyone's feelings without polarising the thread."

People can be put off from either perspective. But there hasn't been much of the complaining and there's been a whole lot of talking about cheating, hence the anger and frustration being expressed this morning.

But I totally, totally agree with you that we should all be supporting and considerate of everyone's feelings. That said, one of the things I have learnt very painfully along the way of Bootcamp is that people can and will get upset about all manner of things.

So - yes we should all be considerate of others, and mindful of what/how we post. But also, if people find themselves cross or upset about something that has been posted, then they should say so. It's often the case that people simply don't realise that someone else might be struggling because of a post. Obviously I don't mean slagging each other off or arguing, but pointing it out to counterbalance things.

sybsie · 04/06/2014 21:09

BIWI, you have put so much time, effort and love into the threads. Thank you for your wise guidance and kindness, not forgetting the stick where appropriate! Every Bootcamp has a different feel (and I have been on about 4 under different names). I remember shouting shit, inner gobblers and other happy memories. Do you remember 2 years ago when we all went mushroom crazy? They seemed to speed weightloss for some, I recall. Anyhow, I am sticking to the programme (just about) and hoping for a good loss this week.

Flowers for you, StuntNun, Willie and all the other prolific and guiding hands Smile

RoaringForties · 04/06/2014 21:16

yep I'm lobbing some flowers in biwis direction too... mindfully though.

BIWI · 04/06/2014 21:21

Let's hope they're low carb, Roaring Wink

KinkyDorito · 04/06/2014 21:37

Thanks scouse and BIWI Thanks

I am definitely following all of the rules; am drinking lots of water (approx 4ltrs today); am mid-month re cycle so should be okay on that front.

I haven't been dieting recently, but lost about 20lbs low carbing before Christmas, that's why I wondered if it would be slower this time.

I'm just going to keep on. I did cut all cream and cheese yesterday in a bid to lose, then gained, so going back to those and will give it a week eating whatever I want on the BC rules, then see what's happening.

I also think myfitnesspal might be counter-productive for me at the moment as I'm getting paranoid at the calorie intake!

StuntNun · 04/06/2014 21:50

That's the golden shot theory Kinky, that the first time low carbing results in the quickest loss. I do think sometimes when you start low carbing there can be a healing process required before you start to lose. That can be caused by a multitude of reasons such as hormonal imbalance, stress, recent weight loss, change in exercise habits, a history of dieting. A gain that large overnight without a carbfest would make me suspect either a hormonal effect or an injury causing inflammation and water retention.

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lowcarbforthewin · 04/06/2014 21:54

Monkey seriously if you haven't eaten something like that in a while, it'll be like a mouthful of cheap vegetable oil. They are disgusting!

Pork belly tonight, it was lovely.

KinkyDorito · 04/06/2014 22:26

I know stunt, but I was within my carbs - had 23g yesterday as I tracked - and no other reason for retaining water. Just strange. Will weigh tomorrow and hope it was a freakish blip!

Pisseslikeahorse · 04/06/2014 22:47

Reading what BIWI posted has sort of stopped me sulking and made me want to post (I may be repeating what has already said, I'm tired its late).
I don't have the same mindset as any of you, we all have our own hangups & issues with food and our wider life but please be mindful of others as everything has an effect.

Birdinacage - frankly thinking that me snacking on something low carb, due to be upset by this thread, "shows that this thread and support is working for you" is utter crap and really upset me.

I am very proud of my obsessive nature and being able to be so bloody minded as to stick to a ridged routine, it is no way a fault to be addressed and nor is it something that I push onto others, hence me not wanting to post and be an overbearing arsehole and upset others. But it takes allot out of me and like the rest of you i'm very heavily affected by what I read. Thankfully thats a very good thing, thank you all for your posts as they keep me going. Thanks

RunLikeSomeFeckersChasing · 04/06/2014 22:53

Going to post my proud moment - had to make buns for dds school tonight. Did I sample - No! DH is sore and tired today after his snip. He had wine with our steak and I had an extra helping of creamy mushroom sauce - better than Maltesers I SWEAR. No wine. There is no proud emoticon.

Eating today has been wierd. My appetite is tiny - couldn't eat two boiled eggs at breakfast and I was so hungry before is started. Had to leave half my dinner (handy breakfast).

I am going to share the mushroom sauce as it's lush:
150g mushroom fried in butter, add 150ml double cream, bring to boil, reduce it about half in volume then add salt and pepper. It's a big saucy fat bomb...

Scousadelic · 05/06/2014 00:04

I've been quite good today I think
B: 1 Black farmer chipolata, 1 rasher back bacon, mushrooms and scrambled eggs in butter
L: 1 small pork steak, leeks in cream
T: Salmon topped with prawn in marie rose sauce, vegetable stir fry
Snack: Macadamia nuts (and horror of horrors an Atkins bar Blush)

Have drunk quite a bit of water and only a bit of Diet Coke

I know it's not perfect but I'm feeling sorry for myself today. I've got this broken ankle and I was told to rest and protect it, given crutches, etc but have had a couple of comments from work about it being "a bad time to be off", etc which is making me feel quite guilty. (Guess what? I work for the NHS, you'd think they'd understand!)

Birdinacage · 05/06/2014 00:05

Pisses - You seem to be taking all my comments in totally the wrong way. I in no way meant that being upset and causing you to snack was a good thing, all I meant was that you managed to stick to low carb even when you had a weak moment instead of falling head first off the wagon, I was trying to be nice. Silver lining and all that...

Also I never said that being rigid etc was a bad thing for you, just that maybe that was why some people found it frustrating to hear from others who aren't, it isn't a good thing for me to be really strict with myself due to past disordered and restrictive eating habits but everyone is different.

I really don't think that saying that people should not post if they have been unable, for whatever reason, to follow the rules as perfectly as others (this was mentioned several times by different posters) is fair or supportive and I felt that the negative comments were becoming as much of an issue as the people posting about cheating. These bootcamp threads are supposed to be for everyone trying to do it, even the ones who sometimes slip up, and it obviously needed a discussion about how to get some balance to make sure everyone is happy. You seem to be very defensive and I'm sorry if I unintentionally offended you, that wasn't my aim.