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Low-carb bootcamp

Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Week 4 - Low Carb Bootcamp - Keep on keeping on

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StuntNun · 26/05/2014 05:14

Helloooo! StuntNun here filling in for the lovely and dedicated BIWI who is off on her hols. So how are you all getting on? I'm sure lots of us are seeing the scales go in the right direction fingers tightly crossed for a pound off myself this week but please don't worry if the scales aren't budging, it's pretty common for there to be a weight loss 'pause' as your body adapts to a low carb diet. Please post your progress and say whether you're continuing on Bootcamp or Bootcamp Light. And if anyone has any questions please ask as it's great to get into the science behind low carbing so we have some ammunition against accusations of being on a fad diet.

As always, the rules are on the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness and you can track your weight on the cunningly named Weight Tracker.

By way of inspiration I've put together some info on how we got into this mess in the first place...

Why do we gain weight?

Before I started low carbing I wondered about squirrels. Yep, squirrels. I've never seen a fat squirrel, have you? But squirrels, as I'm sure you know, hoard up huge quantities of nuts and seeds and store them in little caches all over the place. So why don't they eat them all? I assume squirrels like nuts and seeds and yet they manage to resist the urge to stuff their admittedly cute little faces until their food is all gone. Humans on the other hand... humans are rubbish. We eat too much, we know we eat too much, we feel bad because we eat too much, and yet we keep doing it. So why are we so rubbish compared to squirrels? The paleo/primal nutters like me community will tell you that it's because we're eating a diet that is too different from the diet we evolved to eat and that the biggest problem of all is too much carbohydrate.

When you eat a carbohydrate-rich meal, your body releases the hormone insulin to signal the muscles and liver to store carbohydrate. On a conventional diet, however, our muscles and liver are constantly kept at full capacity. Since these glycogen stores are permanently full, any glucose that can't immediately be used by the body is stored as fat. Another action of insulin is to shut down the release of fat from our fat cells so our own fat stores become inaccessible. Then when we get hungry again we eat yet more carbohydrate and the process starts again, more and more glucose is stored as fat and the weight piles on. Worse still, the constant bombardment of our muscles and liver with insulin when their glycogen stores are already full causes them to become less sensitive to the effect of insulin, or insulin resistant. The pancreas responds by releasing more and more insulin and our blood sugar levels start to drop too low as the body frantically clears glucose into its fat stores. Eventually we find we are hungry all the time, starving only two hours after we last ate. And because our blood sugar levels are low, what do we crave? Yet more carbs. So we end up trapped in a viscous cycle of carb addiction, hunger and weight gain while our ever more ample fat stores are unusable.

Hopefully this has described the process by which the weight creeps on. In next week's thread I'll put together some info on how a low carb diet reverses this process, allowing us to use up our fat stores and achieve the weight we want to be at the same time as improving our health and our energy levels and reducing our risk of diseases such as diabetes and heart disease.

Good luck all for the coming week. Onwards and downwards!

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RunLikeSomeFeckersChasing · 29/05/2014 13:28

Found them. Doh.
5-10% carbs, 15-20% protein, 70-75% fat. Was right, bit high on protein methinks...

Notsoskinnyminny · 29/05/2014 13:29

This is what I scribbled down when it was posted either earlier this week or last week

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I've only got 7 10 in my thin head lbs to lose so I've set mine to 5% carbs, 20% protein and 75% fat. My daily calories should be 2300 (can't remember which site I worked them out on) so I've set them at 1800 but I've only been having about 1500 a day.

Notsoskinnyminny · 29/05/2014 13:35

I was definitely overdoing the protein, I've started having my meals on a smaller plate so DH doesn't start every meal with 'is that all you're having'

RunLikeSomeFeckersChasing · 29/05/2014 13:37

Job done! Thanks skinny! Will have to muddle through today with my planned meals and eat bitter for dinner. Yum.

PeonyStick · 29/05/2014 15:20

minny - me too , me too !!
I have 7 ( similar 10 in thin head ) to go and really just STS or losing/ gaining same couple pounds for ages . stunts fabulous sciency thingy and a macro change ...... Up fat up water , less protein ..... Bingo ....

Notsoskinnyminny · 29/05/2014 15:37

Peony BIWI will be chuffed when she gets back to know we've finally had our epiphany Smile even if I am slightly addicted to checking the pie chart before I have something to eat Grin

RunLikeSomeFeckersChasing · 29/05/2014 15:52

Checked my pie before lunch and added extra butter toy spinach.

StuntNun · 29/05/2014 15:57

Minny 1500 calories doesn't sound like much. If you're not hungry it might be okay but be aware that too few calories can stall your weight loss.

I meant to post a tip for those people who are taking up exercise. Watch out for Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness (DOMS) which is when you're sore the next day and even more sore the day after. It's a pretty normal thing to happen when you start a new exercise regime but it is also associated with a temporary increase in weight. Basically if you damage your muscles through exercise then they get inflamed and swollen and this can add a couple of pounds to your weight. So don't be alarmed if you start exercising and your weight goes up, it will pass in a few days as you get accustomed to the exercise.

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BIWI · 29/05/2014 16:02
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Notsoskinnyminny · 29/05/2014 16:18

Stunt I'm not hungry and don't feel deprived, I'm just looking at how much I'm putting on my plate but have got the option to go back for seconds if I need them. But you're right and my plan is to aim for the 1800 and as I get closer to my goal to gradually start increasing what I eat until I find what works for me. In the past I've got to a weight, thought diet over and gone back to my old way of eating without thinking and piled the weight back on.

LittleMissDisorganized · 29/05/2014 17:47

Sorry, a touch silly.

Am having a revelation of my own here about why I might have stalled. I really, really don't like 'fatty' meat - I can tolerate bacon fat when I cook it really crispy but struggle with lamb/beef/pork when it's around or through the meat. I'm now realising I'm not eating enough fat at all and gluconeogenesis is just converting the extra protein into glucose and sabotaging all my efforts.

Sooo - am going to run a few practice menus thru MFP and have a look at them, retry BPC, think of other changes, maybe eggs/bacon more at breakfast... Hmmm. Thank you, ladies, for making me look harder.

Notsoskinnyminny · 29/05/2014 18:16

LMD I don't like fatty meat either and usually give the 'poisonous' bits to DH after I've disected them - I always think of the Jack Spratt nursery rhyme when he's eyeing up the growing pile of fatty bits on the side of my plate Grin - but I've found by cooking meat in the slowcooker the fat melts into it and I don't have to think about it.

If i'm cooking mince I don't pour the fat away any more and add a ball of mozarella to boost the fat content. If I'm cooking leaner cuts I brush on some olive oil before frying in butter.

MintyCoolMojito · 29/05/2014 18:33

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KinkyDorito · 29/05/2014 18:35

Feel like I've eaten loads today and hoping it won't affect me going into ketosis.

b - scrambled eggs with butter, coffee and cream
s - coffee and cream
l - salad with 2 vege burgers (3.6g each), a ball of mozzerella and olive oil
s - green olives; vege oxo cube
d - cauli cheese (made with cream, cheese and an egg)

I'm looking out for the signs. This is day 2 - should I be in ketosis yet? I know it's a lot of dairy, but I ate like this before and did lose. Also, I am still hungry and craving things today. I'm hoping this feeling buggers off soon.

Thanks Thanks

KinkyDorito · 29/05/2014 18:50

I just put my Kcals into My Fitness Pal. It was a bit alarming... Shock

Came in at 28g carbs though.

ImSoOverIt · 29/05/2014 18:52

Thanks for that stuntnun, I did wonder this as my muscles have felt sore and inflamed, and I do find after heavy exercise I see a gain.

StuntNun · 29/05/2014 19:17

LMD as Minny says slow cooked food could be your friend here. I did pork belly slices in the slow cooker in an ad hoc Chinese-style marinade and they came out lovely and tender (cut the rind off though) and the fat is marbled through them so it's not as obtrusive as on a pork chop. I like chicken wings (sprinkle with e.g. Cajun spices and oven at 220 degrees for 25 minutes) because they have a high skin to meat ratio so you get a good proportion of fat and they're very tasty. If you can take pork crackling then slow roasted pork shoulder or pork belly is lovely. And don't forget you can pour homemade vinaigrette over your salad and add mayo. Or add butter to every vegetable. I think it takes getting into the mindset to eat fat again. I used to cut the fat off pork chops and the skin off chicken but you do get back into it over time because the fat tastes so good and is good for you.

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RunLikeSomeFeckersChasing · 29/05/2014 19:29

I'm not big on fat on meat, not taste mouth feel, although I will try chicken wings again. I think I'm just going to lash more butter at everything, threw some double cream into tonight's curry to up the fat too.

Today's menu
B - eggs w butter and asparagus (omg this is good stuff)
L - seafood chowder w spinach
S - slice of pork shoulder
D - chicken curry w some cauli.

Still to high on protein but will work at it tomorrow.

Got new scales as the glass on the wee window on my current ones is broken. Bastard things weigh me a kilo heavier. Grrr.

Suzymoo09 · 29/05/2014 19:46

Thanks Stuntnun will keep you posted re cholesterol results when I have them - I was told today y the nurse that the bad cholesterol is caused by the saturated fat we're not supposed to eat (!!!!!!!!!!) -

Also saw in yesterday's Independent an article by Jonathan Dimbleby in which he stated full fat foods should have warning labels on them - he was talking re health and preventing obesity.

I really love this woe and have lost 10 pounds since January and feel and look so much better - I really don't want to change it.

Today:
B (none as fasted for the blood test)
L Sausage, home made tomato sauce, salad, baby bel, FF total yogurt, almonds (made up for lack of breakfast)
D Home made chilli with cabbage cooked in coconut oil & butter.

Coffee with cream and coconut oil (yum)
Not enough water today, hence I have a headache.
Love to all Smile

Parsnipcake · 29/05/2014 19:48

I pretty much hit my macros today. It's a lot more fat and lot less protein than I usually eat. I am definitely not going to get macro obsessed, but I have only lost 3 lb in the past month, so it's definitely worth me making a few adjustments. Am definitely considering BPC for breakfast so I can have more protein later.

I am seeing it as a journey. It may be slow, but I still weigh less than I have for 14 years!

Suzymoo09 · 29/05/2014 19:52

Hey Prsnipcake, only 3lb per month adds up to 36lbs per year (I think - maths was never a strong point) which if you imagine it as piles of fat is quite a lot so don't be disheartened. Thanks

Suzymoo09 · 29/05/2014 19:53

PS I seem to have missed somehting - what are macros??

Parsnipcake · 29/05/2014 20:04

Suzy, it's the settings you put into myfitnesspal to see whether you are getting the right balance if fat/protein/ carbs. I know 3lb is fine, but I have 70 to go! And I was losing 1-2lb a week until last month.

Suzymoo09 · 29/05/2014 20:11

Thanks Parsnipcake and good luck