Totally shocked!!! Need help please!

[danceswithdeath]

Okay so. My son goes to a private school; they do pray etc but we are not religious at home. There are obviously other parents who do not follow a religion too.

I am on a group WhatsApp with the fellow parents of my sons class (just gone into year three). Someone has just put a link for us to sign, and it is regarding not teaching our children about LGBTQ in class....

Now, I get it. Everyone has their own personal opinions. But I find this really shocking!! No one has replied expect myself, where I have asked if it was a mistake or not. They said no and to read it.

Well I really want to put something, but I'm not sure if I should... it's pissed me right off though!! I am so open with my son! He knows about a lot.

Has anyone any advice on what I could say that is calm and to the point?

danceswithdeath just a thought, if children aren't given age appropriate information about the 'nitty gritty' of sex or sexual relationships, how can they be taught about what sexual abuse is and how to keep themselves save?

If children aren't given clear information about what are and are not appropriate ways for adults to behave around children, how babies are made etc. there's an awful lot of scope for them to be exploited by predators sadly.

Well done @danceswithdeath, good reply. My daughter has only ever been to one wedding. There were two grooms and no bride. She was 2 at the time and asked where the bride was. We said the grooms didn’t love a bride, they loved each other. And that was the end of that. Children are far more accepting than (some) adults.

I do agree with you. But when my son was younger, I didn't tell him that a penis enters a vagina etc... I told him about his penis and bottom are private areas. Told him about 'secrets' in an age appropriate way.

I find it hard to believe that having some half hearted LGBTQ explanation at primary school would keep children safe from sexual predators.

The 'T' business is a different kettle of fish entirely and not one that I think should be taught. It's a shame that the curriculum seems to come as a package. But I do find it off that the material about two mummies and two daddies and suchlike needs to be taught. Why can't it simply be part of the wallpaper of learning? As in, children are read books about heterosexual families, single-sex partnerships, children growing up with just Mummy and just Daddy and with their grandparents, etc. Why can't it be gentle instruction about diversity as a norm?

Anyone who thinks that people transition because of "wokeness" or that they are pushed into it by others because they enjoy things which are traditionally associated with the opposite sex is surely wrong. I don't see the problem with telling children that a very few people feel that they are in the wrong body and that they find it very difficult and that they can get help. What if your child was growing up feeling like that?

That makes it sound rather like a mental disorder.

Trewser was your post directed at me?

If so, I was talking about age appropriate, factual information about sex, not a 'half hearted LGBQT explanation' which is something else entirely.

I haven't read the full thread, but wanted to echo @stapleberg as my 5 y o dd also came home from nursery in tears saying she didn't want to turn into a boy. In her case it was an older primary aged child who had received the lgbt info at school but clearly hadn't understood it, and was terrifying all the nursery children at holiday club with this concept that you might stay your gender or you might somehow 'turn into' the other gender, totally out of your control. Not cool.

But because something has been taught wrongly to a child doesn't mean it should never be taught to any children again? Telling children that they might one day just turn into the other gender is plainly ridiculous.

Telling children that they might one day just turn into the other SEX is plainly ridiculous.

We can assume any gender we like. It's the sex that's harder.

I think the point is exactly that, evidence points that primary aged kids are too little to understand the trans issue in a way they can process, in the way it has been explained to them. And so they believe, and tell smaller children, that although you are a girl now, when you grow up you might be a boy and vv. I think 9 or 10 years old is probably the right time to start these conversations but not earlier imho.

@iklboo Sun 08-Sep-19 20:17:01
Or if they mix textiles in their clothing? Have a milkshake with their Big Mac?

What do these have to do with anything?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3686461-the-times-bbc-films-teach-children-of-100-genders

Find out what the material the school is using and then panic, or not.

The problem is that LGB has been lumped in with T, to the detriment of gay people and children. Of course we should be telling kids that some families have two mummies or two daddies and that's okay.
But in order to avoid our kids being told that they can change sex, parents are deciding that they have to remove their children from the whole of sex ed.

The other issue is whether schools should be taking control of parenting. A school's job is to give children academic education and yet they seem to be deciding what morals/beliefs children should hold. Parents don't give up their PR when kids cross the school threshold, so the school shouldn't be teaching them beliefs which go against those of the family. Any yet religious beliefs often run counter to those we, as a whole society, consider normal (gay marriage for example).
But if you give the state too much control we end up with all this pushing of trans agenda. Ultimately, parents have to be trusted more than the state and parental rights have to override state ones, when it comes to moral education.

@singingstones have you spoken with many detransitioners? You might be surprised.

There's a big difference between teaching children to be compassionate, tolerate and kind to others who aren't the same as they are and to expect the same of others towards them, and to actively endorse that children should be taught about the complex issues of gender dysphoria and sexuality.

Unfortunately trans rights groups are using these new additions to the curriculum to get into schools and pedal damaging theories about gender and enforce stereotypes. After decades of work to create an environment in which my daughters can be educated without being told what they should or should not be based on their sex, these groups now was to access schools and tell my daughters that if they don't love barbie and pink and want to pint their nails that they must be a boy. It's sick and a misappropriation of the trust we place in schools to allow these agenda groups into a safe classroom space.

The petition isn’t calling for the LGBTQ elements to be stopped. It is just asking that parents should have a right to CHOOSE between the school teaching their kids about sex & relationships and them:

“While the Christian faith does not stand in the way of the LGBTQ community having the freedom to live as they please, their choices must not be imposed on us. There is no question that no one should face hatred for their sexual orientation or any life style choices for that matter, that same protection then must also be afforded to Christians and other people of faith.
Christians and other devout religious followers cannot live in fear to uphold the views of their faith on any matter and most definitely must be free to raise their children in accordance with the scriptures.
Please support this protest and this petition to get the government to allow parents to opt out of RSE lessons that are teaching matters of LGBTQ to children as young as 5 years old”

I support parents having a choice in when and how these things are told to children. If you are fine with the lessons, then leave your child in the class, but what gives you the right to stop other parents from pulling their kids out? Sex education is not an academic subject. The petition isn’t advocating anything bigoted or anti-LGBTQ imho.

What happened to the biggest Christian rule of all 'Love thy neighbour'?

Freaks and bigots masquerading as Christians is the biggest threat of all to Christianity. Nasty little people.

I'm sick and tired of homophobes linking all LGBT people with sex and acting like we're a bunch of sex crazed maniacs and will corrupt children. I'm bisexual. I haven't had sex in donkey's and the number of people I've slept with is in single figures. Also, I knew what LGBT people were from a young age and just accepted it. Kids won't be confused. They're more accepting than you think. It's adults projecting their own issues onto them.

I’m a gay mum. My 10 year old DS has been bullied because of my sexuality and children in his year group have been bullied because they have admitted to having romantic feelings for other kids of the same sex. The school is wonderful and has only ever taught the kids that there are different sorts of families and are lgbt positive, so the children doing the homophobic bullying can only be getting these messages from out of school. This is why schools need to teach this stuff - because if it is left to parents the hateful, homophobic messages and language still get passed on to some and then spread to other children within the school community. Schools are trying to combat this by teaching children that it is ok to be gay. And I’m glad they’re doing that, not just for my sake and my DS’s sake, but for the sake of all the children who will be gay when they grow up and otherwise would struggle with it even more than they already will because nobody would have challenged the message they were getting from their homophobic parents otherwise.

@Stapelberg Wasn't it you who posted that thread the other day about how all boys are noisy and messy, and all girls are quiet and well-behaved?

And also you who posted about how you're homeschooling your son?

I think it's very sad when people choose to homeschool because they want to prevent their children from learning the realities about the world and how to accept and understand that people are different from each other.

One day he will go out into the world and he will be not at all equipped to interact with his peers who have grown up and learned about how people really live, and that not everyone conforms to the stereotypes you're foisting on him.

Juupiter , you're absolutely right.