Totally shocked!!! Need help please!

[danceswithdeath]

Okay so. My son goes to a private school; they do pray etc but we are not religious at home. There are obviously other parents who do not follow a religion too.

I am on a group WhatsApp with the fellow parents of my sons class (just gone into year three). Someone has just put a link for us to sign, and it is regarding not teaching our children about LGBTQ in class....

Now, I get it. Everyone has their own personal opinions. But I find this really shocking!! No one has replied expect myself, where I have asked if it was a mistake or not. They said no and to read it.

Well I really want to put something, but I'm not sure if I should... it's pissed me right off though!! I am so open with my son! He knows about a lot.

Has anyone any advice on what I could say that is calm and to the point?

I find it bizarre that schools have to teach this
I think sex ed should be taught by the parents and it's a shame some parents have silly ideals
I want my kid to be safe and aware and not to be cruel to people who are different
I won't be telling her she can change her sex and I wouldn't want her being told that when she is at an impressionable age that's something people should not take likely

I'm ok with my children being taught about some families being different ie two mums. I think nursery did this before summer but we were away on holiday. My sil is married to a girl anyway so it's not really a "thing" to us, our children have 2 aunties as well as aunties and uncles.

But I don't agree with teaching young children about changing sex, that's way too over their heads and confusing at such a young age (primary school). My daughter goes to a catholic school so I doubt they'll be teaching anything like that anyway.

@Jesse70 It isn’t sexed, it’s about families coming in different packages. Sadly it’s needed, my son repeatedly being called gay boy at nursery by a three year old, not something a three year old would say off their own back.

I want my children to be taught about sex and sexuality from a young age. I want them to know that families are of all types and some men love men and some women love women.
I don't want them to be told men can change sex and be women. I don't want ds to be told (as he was) that one day he might wake up and discover he's a girl.

THIS ^

Beautifully put. Polar Bear. They shouldn't be told anything that isn't true, but should be encouraged to recognise and accept their own feelings, and those of there people.

Boys don't "turn into" girls; girls don't "turn into" boys.

I wonder how many children who would otherwise have grown into happy self-accepting homosexuals have been convinced by "wokeness" that they are actually transexuals, and are living unhappy lives because of it?

"Identification" seems to be made at a ridiculously young age, on the grounds that a boy is playing with a tea set, or a girl with a football.

what is shocking is trying to brainwash kids so young. Let them be kids. They don't need to be pushed to "identify" as anything by idiotic parents with a massive chip on their shoulder. Normal kids do not care.

My DD cares very much that having two mums is normalised and accepted at her school. She doesn't feel like her family is strange or different - in fact she is proud. Why take that away from her?

She also knows that occasionally boys feel like they are girls and vice versa and being born feeling as though you are the wrong sex makes life very difficult for people. Knowing about this stuff is just bringing kids up to be knowledgeable about the real world. Trying to ban teaching about LGBT people is ridiculous and nonsensical!

Also agree with much of what @Stapelberg is saying but know they will never win an argument on here. I also think FIVE is far too young to be told about sex at ALL, let alone LGBT/ transgender stuff (like a boy can identify as a girl/change sex, and so on....)

Don't know what the fuck this world is coming to tbh. I would pull my kids out of any school that tried to shove general sex-ed (AND LGBT stuff) into their heads at the age of FIVE, and I am not religious.

I thank goodness that my kids are grown now, and I never had to deal with this bollocks. The sex ed didn't start til year 6, (when they were 9-10,) which is a much more sensible age. Not bloody reception class or year one, (aged 5,) when many of the kids can barely read or write!

@Birdsfoottrefoil

I am happy for my kids to be taught LGB stuff but not T. I don’t want my children taught lies like they can change sex, or told that if they like stuff associated with opposite sex stereotypes then they must be trans.

Trans is not neutral; it is the sterilising, medication and mutilation of children. It also removes the safeguards and boundaries that keep children safe. Trans ideologues tell school that it is ok to keep secrets if the child might be trans, that suddenly it is ok for dormitories to be mix sex and parents must not be told, that a child’s distress must not be explored, that if they are unhappy stripping off in front of the opposite sex then they are bigots. I don’t want my child, or any children, to have any part of this.

Hear hear! ^

I would have happily signed the petition, and I don't give a shiny shit if that makes me a 'bigot.' Seriously, zero fucks given.

@ayemama

This is ridiculous, if they are out in the world at all they will see same sex couples and there may even be kids with same sex parents in their school.

Just because there may be some gay couples around 'in public' and even a few trans folk, that doesn't mean FIVE year olds have to be taught about sex and LGBT, and how they identify as a boy (if they are a girl) and so on... FFS!

@FrauHaribo

what is shocking is trying to brainwash kids so young. Let them be kids. They don't need to be pushed to "identify" as anything by idiotic parents with a massive chip on their shoulder. Normal kids do not care.

Not everybody feels there's a need to start hammering the transgender issue from primary school to be fashionable, modern, and feel clever.

Great post! And I can assure you that many people agree. Most people are afraid to speak up though, for fear of being called 'bigoted' 'homophobic' and 'full of hate.' As far as I'm concerned, people can keep their 'right-on' and 'woke' crackpot shit to themselves. No 5 y.o. of mine would EVER be learning about LGBT and that they can identify as a different gender if they wish. No. Fucking. WAY.

@sugarplumfairy

My DD is 8 and is actually really excited that she can marry anyone who she loves.

Really.........??? Just when I thought I'd heard it all on here!

Absolutely supportive of LGB teaching - I campaigned against S.28 back in the day.

But I do not support the proposed content for T - which tells young kids that you can be born in the wrong body and that you can change biological sex. This is not only untrue but physically and mentally harmful. You can be uncomfortable with gender stereotypes - but the answer to that is to challenge the stereotype, rather than to move yourself from one neat little category into the other.

As PPs have pointed out, teaching transgender nonsense to children is homophobic. It enforces dated gender stereotypes and denies reality for gay children.
If a young boy likes “effeminate” things, he can’t be allowed to continue this in peace as a possible expression of his future gay self, he must he told he’s “ in the wrong body” “must be a girl”, and pushed onto the transgender path of puberty blockers, sterility and mutilating surgery.
If a girl has autistic obsessions with trains and football, she’s labelled a boy and ditto ditto.
I’m absolutely comfortable with kids being told that gays and lesbians exist, and for this to be shown as acceptable. It may help young gays to feel reassured.
But modern school sex ed all too often includes the toxic, delusional trans stuff, taught as if it was fact.

@simonJT
I get that but parents need to do their part !
And unfortunately some parents are assholes and their opinions go down to their kids that won't change
This sort of stuff shouldn't have to be taught in schools tho it's basics
And we all know families or people who have different lifestyles from our own
Maybe they should have schools for children of bigots lol

Posters on here seem to thing the graphic details of gay sex are being taught alongside positive encouragement to change gender. If it wasn't so sad it would be almost funny.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with kids knowing that men can marry men, woman can marry women and some people feel like they were born in the wrong body. It's just basic facts.

For anyone that has asked, I found out that the child of said parent left earlier this year. So they do not attend the school anymore.

The mother apologised and said everyone has different opinions and left the group chat. That is that!

I did have a few parents privately message me saying they all agreed with what I had said.

Now, I'm not going to join in with this conversation. All I can say is, I do agree with most regarding the T side of things. I haven't told my ds7 about that yet as I don't think he is emotionally ready for that information.

But! He does know that a man can love a man and a woman can love a woman. He's known that for a long time. What is wrong with that? You fall in love with that person.

I do not agree that 5 year olds should be taught the nitty gritty of sex. But I don't think that is actually happening? Not where we are anyway. They are just being told that it is normal for same sex relationships. I don't see any harm in that?

so, all a complete non-event. What a waste of energy.

pulled my child out of nursery when at age 3 he came home and told me that his teacher said he can become a girl if he wants to.
Did you check that is what the teacher really said because that is certainly not on the syllabus.

Your opinions aren't controversial OP. I think most people would agree with them but what that means in reality is that you don't agree with the LGBTQ+ teaching in schools because it's teaching anti-science nonsense about boys changing into girls and vice versa. That's what lots of people are complaining about.

My thread wasn't about that though, it was about the petition link, perhaps give it a read.

@CassianAndor I have no idea what you are talking about, sorry.

it's teaching anti-science nonsense about boys changing into girls and vice versa.

It's not. This is absolute rubbish.

your entire thread. It's a non-event.

Also, I take it your DC are at a church school of some kind? You must have know, therefore, that some parents might well have views like this?

@user1493759849 you need to add 28 on to the end of the username, I’ve got sugarplumfairy as a very old user name that I don’t use anymore.

@CassianAndor sorry, I didn't know I was meant to be entertaining you.

My children are at a church school and we are practicing Christians. I find that petition terrible and would be horrified if another parent asked me to sign that.

The same sex relationship stuff kids are "taught" in primary school is a book about PENGUINS. I mean, seriously. Anyone who objects is a bigot, in my opinion. I agree age and maturity are big factors in terms of what you tell, but having stories about families who may look different to yours isn't going to harm anyone.

Well done for saying what you said OP.

Don’t understand why schools need to teach this anyway when it’s fucking rammed down our throats. I’d rather the lesson be replayed with something truly educational and beneficial so I would be signing post haste.

Don’t understand why schools need to teach this anyway when it’s fucking rammed down our throats. I’d rather the lesson be replayed with something truly educational and beneficial so I would be signing post haste.

So children with same sex parents feel acknowledged and normal. So children questioning their sexual orientation or gender identity don't feel completely alone, isolated and frightened.

What exactly is being rammed down your throat?