Totally shocked!!! Need help please!

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Okay so. My son goes to a private school; they do pray etc but we are not religious at home. There are obviously other parents who do not follow a religion too.

I am on a group WhatsApp with the fellow parents of my sons class (just gone into year three). Someone has just put a link for us to sign, and it is regarding not teaching our children about LGBTQ in class....

Now, I get it. Everyone has their own personal opinions. But I find this really shocking!! No one has replied expect myself, where I have asked if it was a mistake or not. They said no and to read it.

Well I really want to put something, but I'm not sure if I should... it's pissed me right off though!! I am so open with my son! He knows about a lot.

Has anyone any advice on what I could say that is calm and to the point?

@PegasusReturns No - just going from the experiences of people I've known who have transitioned / are transitioning

Good for you, OP. Those petitioning, and Stapelberg et al on this thread dribbling on about 'lifestyle choices', are just bigots.

What do these have to do with anything?
Or if they mix textiles in their clothing? Have a milkshake with their Big Mac?
In the bible, these all go against the law that Jesus had given to Moses. If you want to say homosexuality is a sin because the bible says so you must also follow all the other laws set out in the bible or you seem rather hypocritical. Some examples include not mixing dairy and meat, not wearing mixed textiles in your clothing, not wearing ripped clothes. The link says that it is wrong from a Christian perspective and if it is so are these things as well as the almost 600 other laws

@Juupiter My son gets called gayboy because I’m gay, the children saying it are only 3-5 year olds, children of an age who would not only need to be taught the insult but would also need to be taught who to say it to.

Without nursery/school intervention those children wouldn’t learn that it is unpleasant to say or why it is unpleasant to say.

@ElizaDee @iklboo** Sun 08-Sep-19 20:17:01
Or if they mix textiles in their clothing? Have a milkshake with their Big Mac?

What do these have to do with anything?

Both of those things are banned in Leviticus, in the same book of the Bible (Old Testament) that also says homosexuality is against God's will.

Actually lots of religious Jews still do observe these rules. My grandparents would never have eaten dairy and meat together.

But @iklboo was making the point that lots of these Christians who are supposedly so against homosexuality because it's "against the Bible" don't bother to follow any of the other rules in the same book.

Well done Op, that's well worded and strong. Good for you.

Look, I don’t care if some parents use their rights to pull their kids from a class that I am ok with. Im not going to judge them or act like their kids are doomed to grow up as victims or bigots.

I just think we should all support the continuing existence of this right. For example, I pulled my kid from our local schools science class when they were literally teaching creationism.

The issue NOW may be LGBTQ, but might else might it be in future? And how would you cope if you had protested against parents keeping this right to pull their kids out of select classes or lessons such that now you cannot do it when there is subject matter that you do disagree with?

Ok thanks @Rubicon80

Scarlett you seem rather out-of-touch with some of the information being used in schools. Do you have DCs at school?
DS was told if boys liked 'girl' things then they might actually be a girl. This then led into a discussion about DCs sitting on a bench and magically changing to the other sex

This is how governments chip away at parental rights. They pick a hot button topic that the majority will support and then attempt to take away the parental right for all future topics. They know only a minority will protest and that everyone will be focused on the topic and not the fact that a parental right is being taken away.

I agree with @Stapelberg I think primary aged children are far too young to be told about trans issues. I think my dd will be absent that day if her school choose to teach it.

"Absolutely fine and appropriate to teach my DC about same sex relationships but I will not have my DC taught any science nonsense that tells them they can change biological sex."

This..in spades.

I tend to ignore this shit. an argument on a WhatsApp group wont achieve anything positive

just keep teaching your children

Doctor, creationism and the existence of LGBTQ people are hardly comparable.

Well done OP, your reply is perfect & well done for standing up to bigotry

@YetAnotherSpartacus That's exactly what it is, stories from picture books! www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-47738863/school-lgbt-teaching-row-what-is-in-the-no-outsiders-books-that-sparked-protests

Not sit down lessons on sexuality! This thread is bonkers. Homosexuality is a protected characteristic, it's like saying you won't talk to children about race or show them stories which include diverse characters.

When people don't say something, they become part of the problem.

Good for you for saying something, not everyone does.

@DarlingNikita
You are missing the point.
The Petition is not against LGBTQ lessons. Read it. The OP misrepresented it. The petitioners are not calling for there to be no LGBTQ classes or to force her kid not to get this class.

It is specifically petitioning against the government taking away parents rights to pull their kids out of classes. Because the government wants to teach the kids these lessons without parental permission.

It just so happens that the class they are concerned about NOW is LGBTQ. It’s the flash point. But forcing other parents to have their kids go to these classes will set a legal precedent for any other future classes about anything the government decides.

If you disagree with the petition, then you think that parents should lose their right to pull their kids out of ANY class (not just LGBTQ).

Everyone is not looking at the bigger picture here. It doesn’t matter whether you think your kid should get this class or not, what matters is whether you think parents should lose the right to exempt their kids from classes or lessons for any reason, ever.

Doctor, the petition is specifically about LGBT.

@Sussexmummys

You may have misunderstood Christian teaching it seems. The Judaic law was in place for the nation if Israel and pre-crucifixion followers of God, before the crucifixion served as a lasting atonement for sin. Before this point the Judaic law outlined ways to live and ways to atone for sin.

When Jesus began his ministry he stated multiple times that he had cane to fulfil the law. Meaning that his followers were not bound by the letter of the law as they had been previously. However he then completed further teachings on how to interpret God's law in the light of this. He addresses many things such as "clean and unclean" foods and clothing.

He also went on to address sexual ethics and marriage. He reaffirmed that that God's design was for men and women to be biologically different and in relationship with one another in marriage. He then expounded the nature of singleness and what was "sexual impurity" in God's eyes.

Therefore to call Christians hypocrites because they wear mixed textiles and eat shellfish etc is incorrect. If a person has studied both the old and new testaments then they are comfortable with what God's outline for life is.

And on top of that, mercifully, there is Grace, which helps us to be forgiven and move on when we get things wrong and live outside if God's way.
True Christians don't hate anyone, but it's very possible to disagree with someone without hating them.

Please ignore the autocorrect typos in the last post I'm feeding a baby whilst commenting.

NO kids need Queer Theory in the classroom, let alone primary aged kids.

If you can do anything to pull your kids out of a class that teaches this, do it.

@DarlingNikita
As I said, LGBTQ is the flash point. It’s the tree in a forest. The issue is much larger.

Why are these parents protesting? It is right here in the petition:
”From 2020 in the UK, parents will no longer have the right to remove their children from Relation & Sex Education classes.......”

Now these people are like canaries in the mine...they’re freaking out over LGBTQ. Which most people are like meh so what?

But if you lose your right to pull your kid from RSE classes....this will apply to all future RSE classes. No matter what subject material or lessons are taught. Do you really trust the government so much that you’d give up your right as a parent for all future RSE classes?