Totally shocked!!! Need help please!

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Okay so. My son goes to a private school; they do pray etc but we are not religious at home. There are obviously other parents who do not follow a religion too.

I am on a group WhatsApp with the fellow parents of my sons class (just gone into year three). Someone has just put a link for us to sign, and it is regarding not teaching our children about LGBTQ in class....

Now, I get it. Everyone has their own personal opinions. But I find this really shocking!! No one has replied expect myself, where I have asked if it was a mistake or not. They said no and to read it.

Well I really want to put something, but I'm not sure if I should... it's pissed me right off though!! I am so open with my son! He knows about a lot.

Has anyone any advice on what I could say that is calm and to the point?

Its different as at school not allowed any disagreement point of view, all is presented as completely acceptable and even desirable , its different as its presented by a authority figure (teacher) and reinforced by various materials and anyone not agreeing depicted as homophobic hating etc etc

You dont get to decide tho. Reasons why we dont agree in pur families may be as or more stronger then reasons we dont agree to drug or alcohol for example. Just because you say its fine doesnt mean it is for everyone.

all is presented as completely acceptable and even desirable

Where do you get it's presented as "desirable"?

Drugs and drink aren't presented as bad because of opinions, they are presented as bad because of medical evidence.
Unlike homosexuality, which is 100% only to do with personal preference and doesn't impact one's health.

Exactly personal preference. Nothing to do with teaching young kids acceptance of differences . Shouldnt need a separate lesson for homosexual realtionship, just teach about treating people well regardless of differences of behaviour or opinion, not hard , or wouldnt be if that was the reason. Theres obviously something more behind all this. But taking away parents choice of what values to teach children is horrifying.

Just look at this thread, those parents wanting a choice on sending the kids to those lessons are called all the names under the sun, bigots and close minded etc. Not very accepting of differences.

But taking away parents choice of what values to teach children is horrifying.

Honestly, it depends on what values.
If you are telling your child that homosexuality is horrifying, it goes against the spirit of the law in the UK.

Again, children are being taught specifically about the diversity of behaviours and preferences that they will encounter in society.
There may not be specific "anti-racism" classes, but children are taught about the different types of people and that they are all the same. You just don't get the permission slip at home for those.

When they are teenagers and have already incorporated that homosexuality is disgusting and horrible and to avoid at all costs (even if they may well be gay themselves) it's too late.
In a country where homosexuality is perfectly legal, and there is no medical advice against it, might as well teach children that it's legal and that there is nothing (other than opinions) against it.

You provide your own point of view at home, where it belongs.

Would you rather your child was happy in a gay relationship or in a heterosexual relationship that killed them inside?

all is presented as… even desirable

Can you say how (in your opinion) equality teaching presents homosexuality (or indeed heterosexuality) as 'desirable', as opposed to just a factual thing?

I just tell them (as i did)two men and two women are legally allowed to marry and thats their business , but its not something we agree with.
And then what happens? Do your DC ask if they're allowed to see Tommy, or if his dads are bad, or anything else? I'm really interested in how the conversation goes.

Alcohol can be harmful. Being gay isn't.

,Dont recall a racisism class?

When I was at primary school decades ago we were taught about racism and why it's wrong.

They didnt ask anything else and they dont know anyone with 2 gay parents but if they did then no, contact outside of school as playdate etc at theirs wouldnt be allowed. Those classes about racism would have been about how not mistreat different people which i agree with. Not as " oh look how lovely to be black / asian whatever

they dont know anyone with 2 gay parents but if they did then no, contact outside of school as playdate etc at theirs wouldnt be allowed.

OK, well at least we know what we're dealing with.

Those classes about racism would have been about how not mistreat different people which i agree with.
How magnanimous of you.

Those classes about racism would have been about how not mistreat different people which i agree with. Not as " oh look how lovely to be black / asian whatever

Apart from the fact that you can't choose to be black or asian, if those classes were factual and about respect, why do you think LGBT classes aren't the same?

And, why wouldn't you let your child visit a same sex couple's home? You can't catch gay, you know?

I'd still love to have the answer to this, although I know the answer:
Would you rather your child was happy in a gay relationship or in a heterosexual relationship that killed them inside?

If your child turns out to be gay, what will you do?

something that people dont believe its right.

People can believe being black 'isn't right'. It doesn't change the fact that being black is right and ok. People are born gay, by God's creation. Just as being black, is right and ok, by God's creation. You can't argue that being gay isn't right, any more than you can argue that being black isn't right.

Are you seriously comparing taking illegal drugs, to being gay? Are you seriously, right here and right now, doing that? Because that is not an analogy even in the same distant galaxy, let alone stratosphere, let alone planet, let alone country, let alone town, let alone ballpark. The only relevant analogy to that would be to compare being black or asian to being gay. Since none of the three are actual choices. Unlike the choice to take drugs.

change the way people feel about some issues

If someone believes women shouldn't have the right to vote, damn right people should attempt to change their belief. If someone believes being black or asian is wrong, damn right people should attempt to change their belief. If someone believes being gay isn't something God-given, innate or something you are born with, damn right people should attempt to change their belief. What you are suggesting is that people should be allowed to keep their ignorant and downright evil beliefs without being challenged. It is incumbent upon us all as human beings, to attempt to change ignorance, evil, and barbarianism.

" lets change the direction of the conversation "

And you are not trying to do that by comparing how someone is BORN, to making a choice to drink??? Do you realise how desperate you sound? Comparing how one is born, to a choice to drink? ???

There is no such thing as a 'point of view' on being gay. Being gay is as normal and natural as being black or asian. You can't have a 'point of view' that being gay is wrong, any more than you can have that being black is wrong or asian is wrong. All 3 are god-given, innate and normal human attributes.

or wouldnt be if that was the reason. Theres obviously something more behind all this.

If your reason was about teaching acceptance, then you wouldn't be reacting this way, there is a hidden agenda with you. You don't want children to be taught the truth. That being gay is NORMAL and ACCEPTABLE. If it was about being treated the same as everyone else, you wouldn't have a problem. But you just don't want children to be taught the actual truth. That being gay is normal and as God made them. That, is your agenda.

Stapelber why is a 3 year old too young to know that LGBT familes exist. I genuinly don't understand. My 3 year old GS was talking about marriage the other day and explained to me that boys can marry girls or boys can marry boys or girls can marry girls. He is correct and I really don't understand the harm in him knowing it or why you wouldnt want your 3 year old to know.

Ugh, posted too soon.

But taking away parents choice of what values to teach children is horrifying.

What 'values' are you talking about? That being Gay isn't as God created them? What values (apart from what appears to be your agenda) is it that you want to teach your child/ren, if not that being gay is somehow wrong?

Come on, at least own up to what you want to say and want to teach your child/ren.

I would also suggest that by teaching them that being gay is not normal or God-given, that you are not teaching them any 'values' at all, rather that you are teaching ignorance and lies, and showing no values at all. In that light, those child/ren would at least learn some actual values that you (rhetorically) aren't willing to teach. Sometimes when parents lack morals and values, teachers have to step up.

Itson, let me re-word this to show the uncomfortable truth. 'Just look at this thread, those parents wanting a choice on sending the kids to those lessons are doing so with an agenda, because they are by and large, bigots and close minded etc. They are not very accepting of God-created differences.'

but if they did then no, contact outside of school as playdate etc at theirs wouldnt be allowed.

And that there, is why some parents are immoral, evil and lack values, and why the school needs to counteract the immoral, evil, and valueless influence of the....'parents'.

I feel so conflicted about this. I welcome my child learning about gay relationships and different families. However I think trans ideology is just insidious and I'd rather keep him away from it all. Which I know is impossible, so I'll be taking the tack of making sure he learns about it from a critical point of view at home.

I think itson has played up to the stereotype and proved that stereotype that the only people who have a problem with children being taught that being gay is ok, are those valueless, moral-less parents who think being born black, or asian or gay is wrong. The ONLY people who have a problem with this being taught, are the bigots, and itson knowingly or unknowingly proves that point. It is children of people like that who need to be rescued, so to speak, from the harmful things their parents teach, it is because of parents like them, that these programmes are desperately needed. If attitudes displayed by the likes of that poster didn't exist, there wouldn't be a NEED for these programmes, in the first place. That's the paradox. But wherever innocent children are at harm by parents with dangerous views like that, these compulsory programmes need to exist, if for no other reason than to rescue these children their upbringing and environment. Only when views like those espoused are no longer common, will programmes like these not be needed. Paradoxically itson proves the very reason why these programmes exist. Even if the parents are too far gone, the children can be at least rescued from that ignorance and evil.

The title of the petiton sounds misleading : NO TO LGBT Lessons. But the actual petition seems to be about giving parents the right to withdraw their child from RSE lessons should they wish to? I think it is a fair compromise. Those parents who feel strongly that their children must be taught RSE by their school can give their consent and those that don't can refuse. I don't think RSE should be forced onto children of primary school age without parental consent just because pressure groups have put enough pressure on the government. I would just ignore any petition that i don't want to sign, without kicking up a fuss with the parents from my DC's school.

What if parents believe that their children don't need an education? Should we respect that as well?
That girls don't need to know how to read because they believe it's wrong?
Or refuse life saving treatment to a child due to religious beliefs?
Should that be respected?

There are limits to the influence that parents have on children. Their children are not their property or an extension of them. Children can be taken away from parents. Parents have a duty of care in relation to their children, not a right to make them like clones of themselves.

The title of the petiton sounds misleading : NO TO LGBT Lessons. But the actual petition seems to be about giving parents the right to withdraw their child from RSE lessons should they wish to? I think it is a fair compromise.

I think the title of the petition is exactly what those parents intend.

I accept it is a fine line as to where one stops. But i think in matters such as sex and gender education for children of primary school age, the parents should have the right to refuse. Its like parents having the right to refuse immunisations for their children. I am not saying refusing immunisations is right or wrong - it is the parents decision , and RSE should also be the same.