Can they take my baby away

[saraheve]

HI i really need some advice, my 9 year old son was taken into care due to depression i was unable to keep on top of housework, I was binge drinking on weekends and I was in a unhappy relationship with childs farther, since my son has been taken into care I have attended therapy, hired a cleaner, attended a parent recovery group, relapse prevention group and took parenting courses. I am 8 months pregnant due to give birth very soon, I was given a prebirth assessment that said social services will go to court if they see that babys needs are not being met, unborn baby is on child protection and on the plan it says the same, yet social services say they want to take me to court? I was told their is no present concerns and I have addressed all previous concerns yet they want to still take it to court based on pre historic. I have so much evidence of significant changes yet they want to keep me in hospital once baby is born and have a discharge planning meeting where they may take baby away. Have they got any grounds since I have made significant changes and their is no present concerns. I am very devastated please can somone advise me? Thanks.

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They have already made the application. There is an interim supervision order already in place.
That order will remain throughout proceedings and at the end the judge will decide what kind of order is appropriate (if any). It's highly unusual for a care order to be granted partway through proceedings unless there is a significant change.

I wish people wouldn't talk about 'hints' etc. There is an extremely prescriptive process when applying to court and everything is explained extremely clearly to parents before proceedings are issued. No parent can ever be unclear about what the issues and concerns are.

Hopefully you will get the same judge again and if do then they may not be too pleased to see SS at this again
I don't get this sentence either; the 'same judge' who granted a care order on her older child less than a year ago? Why would that judge think social services were wrong to make an application for this new baby?

Fair enough Gallavich... sarah ignore me please i will ask for my post to be deleted as it contains wrong information

Gallavich the same judge who allowed her to taje baby home rather than granting care order

The same judge will see the case all the way through
Just because a judge grants a supervision order rather than care order doesn't mean they disagree with the assessment of risk. In fact if the judge felt there were no concerns they would have granted no order. Judges have to work within specific legal frameworks and the type of order granted is based on the legal threshold of harm, not judges person views.

The judge is very pleased with the progress I made. And did tell ss off for asking for a care order when I've addressed all the concerns. I just need to carry on positive work and hope for the best.

I think you're amazing Sara. It's lovely to hear your progress and you sound so positive.
As well as the great support you have had on this thread, you have also had to deal with a lot of unhelpful and sometimes downright nasty comments.
You seem to have coped with this really well and stayed strong.

Thanks MrsPeelyWaly it's just so nerve-wracking going to court and worried about the possible outcome. Lucky my theraphy and groups I go to teach me to turn negitive emotions into positive. I'm happy to say baby is thriving in my care and putting on a lot of weight. Midwife and health visitor are very pleased. I can't help but worry. But I'm gonna use that to make sure I don't slip up in any way xx

I can't even begin to imagine how scared you must be but hopefully all the good work you are putting in will mean you are a few steps closer to having your children with you.

Keep at it Sarah.

As long as you are doing the absolute best you can, then you can do no more

Good luck for the 16th. It sounds like you're doing fantastic, coping with all this AND caring for a newborn can't be easy!

I have to go back to court on the 16th as social services want to still pursue a care order. Even though baby is thriving in my care and putting on weight and doing well

Gallavich, the OP is either in a horrible position where she honestly does not know what the criteria are on which she is being judged, or she is omitting information from her posts for some reason. She did not mention pre-proceedings in connection with the removal of her DS, for instance.

She says her flat is tidy, baby is well cared for, and she is complying with all the elements of what she has been asked to do, yet SS are still pursuing the care order when they could also ask that the supervision order be dropped or continued. Is there anything she could she be missing?

She is faced with the stress of taking care of a baby 24/7, thrice weekly trips to a contact centre and back with the baby, baby supplies, etc., all the while juggling nap times and feedings and maybe dealing with the stress of being in transit with a baby who is crying, needs a feeding or a change or just to be held, and also with the stress of an agent of SS in her home twice a day every day (or is it the actual baby's social worker who comes twice a day?) - enough to run anyone ragged all by itself but on top of that is worry about the outcome and also sleepless nights. I would not be surprised if important communication had slipped through the cracks in these circumstances.

There is an extremely prescriptive process when applying to court and everything is explained extremely clearly to parents before proceedings are issued. No parent can ever be unclear about what the issues and concerns are.
The OP's first post here illustrates very clearly that this is not the case, and as she herself states, she has ASD, so it is very possible that information is being lost in translation, something that happened before even with the best will in the world on the part of whatever social worker was involved with her DS's case - I didn't realise the seriousness of things until my son was taken into care.

Should be first "posts" (plural)

Their pursuing a care order because their afraid I won't keep it up. That stress of a newborn baby will make me relapse. Yet it's a pleasure to care for my baby and I have no intention to relapse. Ss basically think they are mystic Meg and dont think I deserve a beautiful baby. Which clearly I do as shes thriving and extremely looked after in my care. Ss cant deny that. They even comment on the wonderful bond I have with baby yet want to take her away from me. I'm sorry for anyone working in that field but their seriously sick.

Sarah just keep doing what your doing and prove them wrong

Thanks Afreshstartplease I will try my best. Going to do some wallpapering today. I learnt from previous proceedings presentation is everything with ss. Your own appearance and ur home if only I would of known that previously. Babys doing well putting on weight and contented. Even when im half asleep it's a joy to look after her x

It's great that you are enjoying being with her Sarah, how old is she now?

She is 2weeks and 2 days. It's amazing how much she's grown in two weeks. She loves her milk

I do think good feeders often make for easier babies. Does she sleep well?

Ss basically think they are mystic Meg and dont think I deserve a beautiful baby

You caused significant harm to your older child and he was removed from your care. It's not mystic meg prediction to be concerned that you would repeat past behaviour, especially with a newborn who is more demanding and more vulnerable.
Nobody is interested in whether you 'deserve' a baby, they are interested in whether you can care for that baby.
Your last post is concerning and makes me think you still don't fully understand why they are involved, despite having been through care proceedings less than a year ago.

Noone can predict the future. So they must think their psychic if they think they can predict the future.
I did not cause significant harm to my older child he was very happy and loved with me and didn't want to go into care and still wants to come home. I'm not saying I didn't make mistakes but ss have lied and exaggerated so much. Like my son said I wish they didn't exist in this world. They ruin more lives than they support. And that's the truth.

Hi Afreshstartplease she sleeps well but as soon as I lay her down she crys to be held. She likes being held.

Gallavich I do understand why the ss are involved they seemay to think I won't keep up with all the changes I've made. As I said they must think their mystic Meg. Trying to predict the future. They make me sick

Social workers do lie I've spotted so many in their statement. That I've responded to

I'll love to know the percentage that help support families to the presentage that ruin. If I caused significant harm to my son. Why does he still want to come home and why does he say im the best mummy in the world.