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ABC IVF thread continued

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StarryHannah · 28/03/2021 11:33

Our other thread is now full so thought I would start this one to continue the chat.

@Beaglemum91 I'm waiting for my period so I can start meds for FET so that is really helpful information about the embryo transfer process. Thank you. Did you have your partner on Facetime or anything for it?

@Icsi2021 so excited for you xxx

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Hopeful1234567 · 12/08/2021 14:21

@Becky105 Honestly last time this was me I went OTT and googles worst googler. I’m trying to be more chilled about it this time esp as i did a lot to help support it but it is soooooo hard especially when I don’t feel anything (not saying I should) but hard to not think negatively. Haha I don’t blame you I would be too! I’m currently back on my homeland (Isle of Man) defo think getting away helps. I’m glad you’re taking it easy x

Bitterman · 12/08/2021 14:45

@Hopeful1234567 @kittyfantastico21 Thank you both, I am not sure if it went well with only 5 eggs but just had the embryology call to say they and sperm are looking good and they'll be putting them together and watching overnight. Just a waiting game now I suppose.

lawandgin · 12/08/2021 17:21

@Bitterman congrats on your egg collection and fingers crossed for a positive update tomorrow.

@Becky105 haha - minefield a minute, I love that! When is your OTD?

And @Hopeful1234567, is your OTD 20th? X

Hopeful1234567 · 12/08/2021 17:27

@lawandgin yeah mine is 20th x

Becky105 · 12/08/2021 18:14

@lawandgin mine is supposed to be 18th for blood test but because we'll still be away they have told me to do a pregnancy test on 20th... @Hopeful1234567 test day buddies

Hopeful1234567 · 12/08/2021 18:25

@Becky105 that’s so exciting!

Clapham4 · 14/08/2021 12:08

Hi guys! Sorry I went quiet for a few days. Thrilled for all the transfers happening. Very exciting!!!
I’m still waiting to bleed, still testing positive on FRERs. Honestly I’m kicking myself for never considering this outcome of it working but having a miscarriage. I was so black & white about it working or not. Have to wait until Thursday for the next steps chat with the consultant but really I’d like to go again ASAP. There’s that saying when you’re going through hell, keep going. And it feels a bit like that! Taking a break from TTC won’t get me where I want to be 🙈

Hope everyone is having a lovely weekend xxx

ThinnerByDinner · 14/08/2021 12:58

Hi ladies,

Sorry to hear about your experience @Clapham4 I have unfortunately had 3 miscarriages before and it’s really a devastating experience.

I am booked in for egg collection tomorrow at 12.45 at St Paul’s. Any tips or what I should expect? We’re hoping for a fresh transfer but I think I heard they decide that for sure at egg collection based on the results (e.g if they think your at risk of OSHH). I am hoping all goes well but what will be will be!

Taking my 3.5 yr old daughter out for woodfired pizzas this afternoon and ice cream as will be away from her all day tomorrow. Ahhh I’m excited, overwhelmed, anxious and everything inbetween!

Hopeful1234567 · 14/08/2021 17:51

@ThinnerByDinner Hoping all goes well for you tomorrow! I found the process better than what I thought. I didn’t feel a thing and wasn’t aware. I was sore the day after but recovered quickly.

@Clapham4 Being honest if I was in your situation it wouldn’t have been anything I thought about either. This process does really open your eyes to how difficult pregnancy is. I completely relate to wanting to go for it again sometimes only thing that gets you through! I’m already thinking about the next time already as sad as it sounds as never want to give up on our dream of having a child together. Hope you are doing okay xx

lawandgin · 14/08/2021 19:04

@Clapham4 I think i would feel exactly the same in your situation. It must be so difficult to be still testing positive and I imagine it's the only time you'd ever wish to see a negative. I hope you've been able to take some time for yourself this weekend.

@ThinnerByDinner good luck for tomorrow - I also slept through the whole thing and felt fine afterwards. A little tender, but it was way easier than I thought it would be - I was terrified!

How are you doing @Becky105?

I was told at transfer that they would either ring today or tomorrow regarding the remaining two embryos. I haven't heard anything and I can't decide if I think that's good news or not, what do you guys think?!

Becky105 · 14/08/2021 19:07

Hi @ThinnerByDinner i had mine at st Paul's. Other than the guidelines about not eating and drinking beforehand, my only tips would be don't bother with a dressing gown, mine didn't come out of the bag. They recommend taking socks but it's only to have some on under the little blue, elasticated, plastic over shoe things. So any old socks are fine. If you haven't been there before look for the big 150 Cheapside building and then the create entrance is a separate one round to the left of the main door... No sign just the create flower symbol on the glass doors. Mine was completely pain free. After the procedure they'll give you a cup of tea and biscuits. If you want a snack they recommend a dry one (creamy things can make people feel sick). They'll want you to have a wee before you can leave and they'll tell you how many eggs they collected. Take your antibiotics that have already been sent to you with you and count up your progesterone to let them know how many you have. They'll get you to take your first dose of antibiotics and send you on your way. They'll call you the next day to let you know how many eggs fertilised.

@Clapham4 this whole process is just a series of hurdles to overcome and you did so well to overcome so many and get to the stage that you did. With that being said i can only imagine that it's so difficult to reach such a celebratory milestone and then suffer this disappointment. Roll on next Thursday to get you some answers and a plan to get through hell! Sending you all my love

Becky105 · 14/08/2021 19:55

Hi @lawandgin sorry I missed your post whilst writing mine. I'm doing OK. I had one dot of blood when i wiped both yesterday and today and had a mild headache yesterday and almost a migraine today. Not sure if these are good signs but I'm keeping hopeful.

After starting out adamant that I wouldn't test until the date I was told to... I'm starting to think what's the harm in buying loads of tests and start testing from this Sunday each morning lol. Need to get a grip I think, but the waiting is like mental torture.

How are you feeling after your transfer?

I had a day 5 update and a day 6 one between day 5 and 6 one more of mine got to a freezable state, so fingers crossed your remaining embryos still have a chance.

lawandgin · 14/08/2021 20:30

@Becky105 well those symptoms sound promising.... I can imagine the temptation to test is almost overwhelming! You have to do what feels right for you and your partner. I'm feeling okay thanks, just really nervous as to why I didn't get a call today and I don't feel like it's going to be good news. We are out with my parents tomorrow who don't know we've started IVF so you just know they are going to try and call then. We will likely be with them all day until late so I think I might call ABC in the morning to see if I can speak to an embryologist. If not, I will ask them to email rather than call I think.

Bitterman · 15/08/2021 09:40

Hi all, it's transfer day for me today but the embryologist didn't sound very optimistic, three of my 5 fertilized but one stopped developing and the remaining two are 6 cell grade 2s, with no fragmentation. He said that we could watch them both til Tuesday but there's a chance they will both stop developing and we have no transfer and no freezing so I've opted for the transfer today.
If they're not going to survive then where they perish doesnt matter does it really? We can't afford to go through this again soon so I'm a little despondent but hopeful.

lawandgin · 15/08/2021 09:55

@Bitterman sounds similar to my situation! I had 9 collected but only 5 were suitable for ICSI and three fertilised. On transfer day (Thursday) I had two 8 cell grade 2s and one 10 cell grade 3. My embryologist may have just been being nice but he said the grade 2s looked good. My understanding is that a day 3 embryo should be anywhere between 6 and 10 cells so don't feel to disheartened! I am still waiting to find out what happened to my other 2 (today is day 6). Good luck for your transfer! Xx

Bitterman · 15/08/2021 10:13

@lawandgin, thank you! It's such a roller-coaster. I'm willing at least one to just develop another cell in the next hour.
I hope your remaining two make it to the freezer and the one on board stays true for you.

lawandgin · 15/08/2021 12:56

Thank you @Bitterman I am really pleased and surprised to say we have two in the freezer. Not the best quality at 4cb and 5cc but it's still a much better position than I thought we be in. I really hope today goes well for you xx

sil19 · 15/08/2021 14:38

Hello all,

Hope everyone is well and everyone who was going through a cycle whilst I was active on here in June/July has had some positive results. Thanks again everyone for your advise.
I have been MIA as my cycle stopped at egg freezing. However what happened next with ABC IVF was extremely traumatic for me and I have not wanted to talk about it. I know alot of people come to this thread to seek advice on whether to use this clinic and I would be remiss to not share my horrible experience and warn any and everyone to stay away from them.

After successfully freezing my eggs for future use with ABC, I was a bit disappointed in the amount of eggs and considering doing a 2nd cycle so I was consulting with other clinics to see if they had a different approach that could possible give me better results. In doing so I had requested my medical file. When I received the email with an overview of my tests & scan, I was casually scrolling through while at work only to be surprised and devastated to read that one of the extremely contagious and lifelong chronic viral disease tests I had done over a month ago read as POSITIVE.

I had done the viral diseases blood test on my first scan day at ABC. I did not expect any results to come back positive. So I did not enquire about the results (the turn around for these blood test is 4 hours). However on my 3rd and last scan day the nurse during my consult realised they had not received the test results back from the lab and of course this was needed in order to fill out the ER release forms which I also had to sign. The nurse in my presence called the lab confirmed verbally all results were negative, I overhead the lab confirm they would send the results over email the same day. the nurse wrote this on the form which I then signed, confirming consent for surgery. At this point I am happy going ahead and ER took place 3 days later.

After reading the results in the email I am absolutely confused, scared and concerned. I call the clinic and they are also surprised it turns out that NO ONE at ABC actually checked the physical email results as they came in. No one at this point was able to confirm what had happened to my frozen eggs as any positive viral testing means eggs are frozen in a tank with other positive gametes. After a while the dr called me back saying that yes I had tested positive and no one had any explanation or apology as to why no one had noticed and told me about this. At this point I was also worried that for weeks I had been exposing other people to this very contagious lifelong disease that by law is notifiable in order to prevent outbreaks, that's how contagious it is. The dr told me verbatim: that I should move on talk to my GP and learn to 'live with it'. Only after a few hours I was told that the my eggs had been frozen in the 'positive disease' tank so they had been frozen 'correctly. No one could answer for me how it was possible that the embryologist seemed to be the ONLY person out of dozens of people dealing with my case to have read the lab results. NO ONE also seemed to have picked up the inconsistency of those results on the paperwork nor on the day of ER where you are asked several times to confirm & sign about any current diseases.

As I was extremely traumatized at this point and depressed to find out I had this disease and unsure how I could have gotten it I decided to pay a private GP to run the test again ASAP to confirm as this all happened on a friday afternoon. The GP was extremely helpul and horrified at my experience that I could have received a positive test result for a contagious viral disease and not been told for weeks especially taking into account the only reason I found out is because I requested to see my files.
Fortunately for me the GP was nice enought to process the results on a Sunday and fortunately for me the test results came back NEGATIVE. The original blood test was a FALSE POSITIVE.
I then proceeded for 2 days to get someone from ABC/Create to engage with me on this and confirm what has now happened with my frozen eggs.
Long story short. No one took it seriously, no one cared. I only received a call from someone at the end the day still no apology still no idea about what happened. They did however confirm that due to those FALSE positive lab results the embryologist follow guidelines and froze my eggs in the positive for viral diseases tank and they had been in since my ER, which was about a month at that point.

I was told an investigation would take place but that is now 3 weeks ago and since that call I never heard from them again.

Just to give everyone an idea on how serious this is; even though contagion is said to be small, there is a reason why eggs are frozen separately in these cases. I spoke to other clinics to see if I can get eggs transferred as I no longer trust the clinic but have been informed that because of possible contamination they will have to remain in that 'positive for viral diseases tank' and it also means I am no longer able to donate these eggs if I wanted to do so in future.
ABC: - could have let their patient possible infect and spread a disease for weeks possibly months or years because they don't read lab results. They also took away my informed consent when I consented to ER based on wrong information that was never checked. I have lost some options that I had for my eggs (ie donation etc) because of the misdiagnosis. They are unable to 100% confirm that no cross contamination took place as you can not test for this unless you use the eggs. To give some context.. had I received the diagnoses on the day of my last consult I would have had enough time to retest and confirm the false positive PRIOR to the ER. Which would have ensure my eggs be frozen properly and would still be able to use for donation. Of course I will never get eggs back at this quality and their response has basically been nothing.
Thus far I have not receive any more communication, explanation or apology from them and it extremely difficult to get anyone to take this seriously and respond to me.
STAY AWAY FROM THIS CLINIC. They absolutely do not care nor do they have any procedure in place or try to deal with you if something goes wrong. Stay away from them. Hope this helps anyone in decision making who is on the fence.

ThinnerByDinner · 15/08/2021 18:07

Had my egg collection today at St Paul’s, all went really well, they were all very lovely and efficient. They got 11 eggs and are happy for me to proceed with a fresh transfer. Will get a call tomorrow from the embryologist with how many have fertilised/made it overnight! Now the nervous waiting begins! X

lawandgin · 15/08/2021 18:24

Great news @ThinnerByDinner best of luck and let us know how it goes tomorrow x

Bitterman · 15/08/2021 18:37

@sil19 I am sorry you have gone through so much, can you not call an independent inquiry board or the HFEA about this at all or put in any official complaints? Do you know what you can do with your eggs ? Can they be tested before you use them?

@lawandgin oh lovely ,hopefully they thaw well when you want to give them a warmer home!
Well! I got to the clinic and was waiting to be let in for about 20 minutes only to be let in by a fellow patient who had arrived almost an hour earlier,the only staff on site were embryologists and she'd had to call the emergency number to gain access via the on call giving an embryologists mobile a ring.

After a further twenty to thirty minutes waiting we were told the doc was running late and would be twenty minutes - he was not . But we could pee! Thank all the gods.
We broke and fixed and managed to eventually use the coffee machine while we were waiting.

I had to let the clinical staff member in who was so surprised,she had been shopping at Lidl apparently while we were fit to burst with our full bladders haha
Consultant wasn't too far behind her but we were seen and ready to go within about 15 minutes of their late arrival.

The embryologist also said that they were watching the other two so I went from having two to three again from half 9 to half 12, so let's hope they're just a bit slow (take after their dad lol)

It was a shambles from start to finish and they rushed us through but hopefully the circumstances of the transfer don't curse the next two weeks eh!

@ThinnerByDinner I hope your update is a good one and your transfer is a smoother ride than mine was haha

kittyfantastico21 · 16/08/2021 10:11

@Clapham4 that sounds so tough to go through, sending you lots of hugs and support. Keep getting through the days, I hope your bleed comes soon so you can move on. Really hoping they'll let you try again on your next cycle.

@lawandgin so glad to hear your other two made it to day 5 and the freezer!

@Bitterman sorry your transfer was such a shambles, that sounds so stressful! Glad it got done in the end though and I'm sure that won't have had any effect on the embryo.

@ThinnerByDinner well done, that's a great number of eggs! I hope you're recovering well from the procedure.

I hope everyone in the TWW is doing okay.

I've been quiet for a little while because I've been struggling a lot with anxiety for a few days, and then yesterday morning I had some light bleeding/spotting. There was a bit of red the first time I wiped and then after that it was brown and very light for a few hours. By the time I managed to speak to someone at the clinic it had pretty much stopped. I described it to the nurse and she said from my description she wasn't worried but if it happened again they'd get me in for a blood test as it's too early for a scan. I've had no spotting at all since yesterday afternoon, and no pain so that's good. This morning I've been quite nauseous and boobs are still a bit sore but the other symptoms I'd had seem to be gone. I'm trying to be positive because the bleeding stopped and the nurse wasn't worried but I just can't shake the feeling that the embryo has failed and it's only the pessaries keeping things going. No idea how I'm going to get through the next 10 days until the scan and I'm so worried that once I do get there, the scan will be bad news.

ThinnerByDinner · 16/08/2021 11:21

Hi guys, had my call this morning from the embryologist and out of the 11 eggs they got 3 have fertilised. She seemed pretty happy with it on the phone and wants us to proceed with a 3 day transfer just incase none make it to day 5. I am happy with this and am going down Wednesday for transfer.
I was a bit deflated hearing only 3 fertilised but it’s quality over quantity I guess. Hoping a day 3 transfer still gives us a chance?! Any experience for a day 3? Xx

lawandgin · 16/08/2021 12:23

@ThinnerByDinner I am sorry to hear you feel deflated and I completely get it - I was in your position last Tuesday! 9 collected but only 5 suitable for ICSI and 3 fertilised. However I had a day 3 transfer last Thursday (8 cell grade 2 embryo) and my other two were frozen yesterday. I honestly cried so much when I got that call on the Tuesday morning and I won't lie, it was an extremely stressful week, but there's every chance you could end up with three embryos still going on day 3, one transferred and another 2 in the freezer like me.

@kittyfantastico21 I'm really sorry you are feeling anxious - it's understandable. I have to keep reminding DH that a positive HPT is only the first step of many. Do you think it's worth maybe paying for a blood test anyway? I think the next 10 days will be difficult either way, but a test now could provide enough reassurance to make it is a bit easier x

kittyfantastico21 · 16/08/2021 16:46

@ThinnerByDinner definitely quality over quantity! I can understand you feeling disappointed but hopefully all three will survive and you'll have a good one to transfer plus two to freeze. I have my fingers crossed for you!

@lawandgin yes, maybe. I've decided to see how I get on for a couple of days and if the anxiety is unmanageable I'll ask ABC for a blood test, or I could see if I can get one privately closer to home. I'm hoping I might get more nausea tomorrow morning and then I can take that as a sign things might be progressing in the right direction. I've read loads of stories today of people who had bleeding in early pregnancy and were fine so I'm trying to hold on to that hope. One day down, 9 more to go!