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Multiple failures, a place to chat

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Zippybear · 05/02/2017 08:27

Anyone else out there with multiple failures wondering what to do next? We've just had our fourth embryo transfer fail. Issues on both sides. In the last year I've had two surgeries, dh has had one and we are still no further forward. We haven't had a holiday that wasn't time off for ivf since 2015. We feel battered and bruised and stuck on a hellish infertility rollercoaster that we can't get off unless we want to accept childlessness Sad we have another nhs cycle but I'm not sure I can cope with it (or if there is any point). I don't know whether to give up, think of donor, adoption or just accept our lot. Anyone else wondering the same?

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isthismummy · 28/12/2017 19:16

Merry Christmas to you too fourpawswhite

Well done on booking that trainSmile Good luck with your appointment. Am I correct in recalling your issue is with reoccurring miscarriage? Please do get that angle checked out as throughly as you can. I know your doctor said to go to DE, but it's such a huge step. Don't take it until all avenues have been explored.

Fuming tonight over the current unexplained fertility thread. Poor op has already been told it's stress, her weight and that she needs to relax. I don't know what this board is turning into these daysAngry

EarlGreyT · 28/12/2017 23:09

That thread is infertility bingo-tastic.

wishingandwaiting is a GF of a troll who tried to sabotage this thread, then when I said I’d reported them, arrogantly announced their posts wouldn’t be deleted as they hadn’t broken any rules. Said posts have now gone.

PurpleDaisies · 28/12/2017 23:22

I’m getting really fed up with insensitive arses and obvious trolls on this board.

There was a sympathy thread aimed at people in the midst of infertility posted Christmas Day which got totally hijacked by posters sharing how great to was to pregnant/have had their kids. Now there’s that horrible unexplained infertility thread that is full of nasty people who have probably conceived straight away. It just makes me think what’s the point in posting here which is supposed to be kind and understanding when you constantly get the likes of those posters.

bananafish81 · 28/12/2017 23:44

Good luck fourpaws

Can I echo thisismummy

Please, please get your recurrent miscarriage investigations sorted before you go into DE

You've conceived naturally but miscarried, which is a recurrent pregnancy loss issue, not an infertility issue

DE will not solve the problem if the issue is with the soil rather than the seed

I would strongly strongly recommend going to the Coventry miscarriage clinic for their uterine NK cell biopsy before spending money on a DE IVF cycle you may very well not need

I'm not sure what RM investigations you've had on the NHS, but definitely vital to get all the level 1 immunes if you haven't already

thyroid function – TSH, FT4, thrombophilia screen – anticardiolipin antibodies (IgG and IgM), antithrombin 111, factor V Leiden, factor II prothrombin gene, PAIP polymorphism, activated protein C resistance, Protein C/Protein S, lupus anticoagulant, MTHFR, autoimmune antibodies ( inc. anti-nuclear antibodies, thyroid peroxidase and anti-mitochondrial antibodies).

isthismummy · 29/12/2017 11:59

I remember that EarlGreyT it was very amusing when the GF got deleted. A minor barren victory as it were. That current thread is the worst infertility bingo I've ever seen on here. The poor op. I've noticed she hasn't been backSad

Oh God PurpleDaisies The happy Christmas thread! I really don't think those posters meant to be so insensitive, but honestly. The whole 'woo hoo. We now have our children' thing was just too bloody much!

Am I alone in NOT finding others success stories mildly inspiring? They just make me worry more that I'll end up in the percentage that never get there.

fourpaws listen to bananafish she knows of what she speaks. Please get the miscarriage aspect throughly checked before considering DE.

I had my scan yesterday and lining is 7mm. Literally the best it's ever been (thank you prognova. I think I love you) Just booked our flights to Thessalonikl for transfer on 10/01/18. Fingers crossed no disasters happen before then.

Tmi, but the Progynova has also helped my missing in action sex drive make a reappearanceGrin Perhaps I need to stop being so in denial regarding the effect on my hormones/life/sanity caused by my premature menopause?

EarlGreyT · 29/12/2017 12:50

Am I alone in NOT finding others success stories mildly inspiring? They just make me worry more that I'll end up in the percentage that never get there.

I just wanted to say you are ABSOLUTELY NOT alone with this. I always felt the success stories made me feel worse rather than better and that every success increased my chances of ending up in the unsuccessful group. After all success rates are definitely not 100%, so in my mind hearing about successes increases my chance of being in the unsuccessful group because someone has to be and each success story reduces my chances of being in the successful group and increases the chances of being in the unsuccessful group. I realise the reality of the statistics are not that straightforward, but that’s how it worked in my mind.

EarlGreyT · 29/12/2017 13:24

Also meant to say wishing you the very best of luck for the 10th mummy.

isthismummy · 29/12/2017 14:47

Thank you so much EarlGreyT I can't quite believe it's happening tbh, but it feels like fate. I remember looking at DE information online a mere six months into ttc. I was sure even then that something was really amiss.

I'm glad I'm not the only one immune to the sucess stories. I always thought I was odd to not be inspired by them, so it's reassuring to find out that I'm notSmile

TammySwanson · 29/12/2017 16:21

Add me to the list of people to which success stories just make you feel even more of a pathetic failure. I do think that thread was started with the best of intentions but oh boy did it turn into a 'let's make childless infertiles feel even worse at the most isolating time of year!' thread.

Good luck isthismummy!

I hope you all got through the festive season ok. It was just DH and me, and I was getting through it alright until Xmas evening when I had a meltdown (should have been 6 months pregnant if I hadn't miscarried in September and the house was so quiet which is I suppose how it will always be until one of us dies and then it will just be one of us alone every Xmas). I was feeling better until today when DH's brother and wife's presents arrived. To set the scene just let me say that they met, married and had a baby within a couple of years (complete with wedding night instadiff) and haven't exactly been kind to DH and I. (in contrast, DH and I have been ttc for nearly 6 years, way longer than they've even known each other). Anyway, they live abroad and their presents arrived today which is fine, nothing unusual in that. DH opens his and it's some books, I open mine and it's some mittens, they look a bit small but whatever, DH says I wonder if they made them (they do have a handmade look to them) but I say no, look there's a label from the shop. We read the label. They've given me bloody CHILDREN'S MITTENS. Complete with thread to sew them into your child's coat so they don't lose them. Tbf they probably didn't realise (although this isn't exactly the first thoughtless thing they've done) but it really upset DH. At least I didn't open them on Xmas day I suppose.

fourpawswhite · 29/12/2017 16:39

Thanks everyone, thank you so much.

Banana can you be my doctor? Long journey, just home but have been referred to Coventry. ShockRead your post just before we saw dr and then she suggested it straight away. She went to university with the dr at Coventry and some of the research was done jointly initially between Newcastle and Coventry.

She was very nice, and although I was a bit of a state and it was snowing something chronic the Geordie accents made me smile no end. Super friendly people, very different approach.

She also said she had read my notes three times and didn't understand the IVF approach, which is what you have all been saying.

She put me on the DE list but on the basis that it's a three year wait only and that she hopes we don't get there. In a nice way.

I did not see the thread you are all referring to and don't think I want to. Christmas has been tough here as well, various family dynamics. SIL who made the horrendous pregnancy bomb last year has been very kind to me of late and I walk the baby a lot for her. I can cry quietly then and I'm sure the poor baby boy thinks why does my aunty cry so much....anyway she gave me a wee extra present from baby to say thank you and my other SIL went mental. She has three of her own children who I watch all the time but she didn't see why I was being singled out and said it was rude and unfair. She has never watched new baby once Hmm. People are weird.

Great news re appointment on tenth though, will be sending positive thoughts your way.

Now, I don't care, I'm having a wine, or three.

isthismummy · 29/12/2017 16:59

Bloody hell Tammy What the hell were B and SIL thinking? Do they know of your struggles? It seems a staggeringly insensitive gift if so! Did they say anything when you opened them? I'm just Shock at that whole scenario. The same goes for your SIL Fourpaws what the actual fuck? I honestly despair of the human race sometimes. Amazing news about the Coventry referral though. Are you sure your consultant doesn't read this threadWink Fingers crossed you get some answers soon.

TammySwanson · 29/12/2017 17:13

Oh yes, his brother and wife know all about our situation. DH told them over the summer (when we were mid-way through the last IVF cycle) to be more mindful of what they do (after their latest stupidly insensitive action) in their future. But I really can't believe that they meant to send me children's mittens, I think they just thoughtlessly chose and wrapped them and it's unfortunate.

TammySwanson · 29/12/2017 17:17

Oh, and they live abroad (with the rest of DH's family) so at least we didn't have to be polite about it when we opened it (it just arrived in the post today). It was all I could do to stop DH phoning him then and there to tell him what he thought about it though.

isthismummy · 30/12/2017 09:04

I really hope it was an error too Tammy Do you think you will say anything? Even if it's just to ask if they realise they sent you children's mittens?

People can be so clueless sometimes. I had to ask my DM to stop regaling me with tales of her friends DS on Christmas Day. He's just split up with his GF after they produced three children in five years! Now apparently they hate each other and he didn't want the children in the first place. The unfairness of it is just utterly mind blowing reallySad

SierraGhost · 04/01/2018 00:47

Hello barren army,

I searched the internet looking for relief from the stress of ivf and came across this thread. I read it from beginning to end today as it hit close to home on so many levels. If you would be so kind, I could use some nonjudgmental support my way.

First off, bananafish, fourwhitepaws, biggerboatneeded, tips, zippybear, and anyone else here, I’m sorry for the heartache each woman has gone through. Each situation is brutal and ivf is never as easy as the clinics make it sound.

My story is a little different as I am the DH. Also, it may seem I’m breaking banana’s #1 here rule, but hear me out, as I myself have no biological children (only have one step-daughter).

My wife had children in a previous marriage but had her fallopian tubes tied after the third. Well, her marriage didn’t work out and we met sometime later. I knew the whole situation before getting married but I naïvely thought we could reconnect her tubes or try ivf.

We tried to a tubal ligation first but that only resulted in an ectopic pregnancy and her tubes had to be permanently removed. We then tried two cycles of ivf a couple of years apart. Each resulted in failed attempts to retrieve any eggs. This last time she became pregnant with DEs but miscarried after eight weeks this past November.
During the first round, we naively thought it would work like automatic on the account she had children already. We even thought we would have twins so we started buying some baby items for two. We had the bed, a double stroller, some clothes etc that we just gave away after it failed.

The first two cycles were pretty heartbreaking and to cope, we adopting a dog each time. I don’t know what it is about dogs and failed ivfs but they sure do help. Shout out to all the therapy dogs!

Since my DW had cut her tubes voluntarily, all of this is self-funded. So financially we’re hurting. We have five remaining frosties (an endearing term I find comical) but I’m not sure if we can afford any more cycles. On top of that my wife and I are both around 40 (give or take a few years). All so frustrating.

Zippybear—I relate to your DH. We’ve been doing this for over ten years now and I’ve heard all types of comments. ‘Do you plan on having more kids?’ ‘Don’t worry, things will work out.’ ‘It’s just not the right time for you guys.’ Ugh. I know some are well intentioned but poorly timed. The worst happened to me just a few weeks ago. Two coworkers (not knowing anything about our struggles) had noticed I had been distressed all morning and were curious as to why I was leaving early. On the way out of the office one guy, innocently, asked me if my wife was pregnant… I left early to take my wife to the hospital to remove the miscarriage. That one hurt. It was a rough next few days after that.

Triggers come unexpectedly. After the first attempt I couldn’t handle being around other parents and kids for a while. I was jealous, angry, and depressed at all the same time (I didn’t even know this was possible). After this last time, I thought I was somewhat prepared for dealing with other peoples’ kids again but I wasn’t. This last weekend, I helped a friend hang sheet rock in his garage. He had four daughters under the age of nine playing outside. I couldn’t motivate myself to do anything for the next two days after that. Happy New Year? Ah, fuck it. Where’s the whisky?!

FB, baby bombs, family engagements, etc. are difficult to say the least. I have 5 older siblings with nearly 19 kids total. I cope the best I can.

Thanks for reading.

isthismummy · 13/01/2018 18:07

Hey everyone,

Just wondering how everyone is doing? Thread has been very quiet of late. I'm hoping it's not because everyone is feeling suicidal from the influx of "relax and it'll happen" type posters who are making an influx onto this board.

There is a thread on AIBU today where loads of women are clamouring to talk about how boring they find their babies. They just have no sodding idea do they?Angry

PurpleDaisies · 14/01/2018 18:16

I’ve been having a tough time since Christmas. Eight of my friends are currently pregnant. Scan photos all over Facebook and two scans via text messages even though they know what’s been going on with me. I just feel really tearful all the time and I don’t feel like I can talk to anyone. I’m a couple of weeks we’re meeting up with a group of friends where there will be 12 children and us as the only couple without any. I don’t really know when this will get any better. Obviously I’m not relaxing enough...

Zippybear · 15/01/2018 13:23

Hello sierra sorry you find yourself here
Hi mummy I'm still around on occasion (trying to forget about infertility when I can). What stage are you at now?
Purple Flowers Flowers Flowers that sounds horrendous, can you skip the meet up with 12 kids?
Waves to anyone else still out there lurking

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isthismummy · 15/01/2018 13:28

I'm sorry you're struggling PurpleDaisies I am utterly aghast at the crassness of your friends texting you scan photos. Wtf is wrong with some people.

Actually I'd be aghast at people doing that to me even if I wasn't barren. Why the hell do people think anyone except them are interested in their scan photos?Confused

I hope the meet up isint as dreadful as you fear. I would recommend copious amounts of alcohol to get through it.

One of DH friends had the most nauseating looking baby shower last week. We didn't go, but the Facebook pictures were exceptionally vomit inducing. Plus they also had a "baby bump"Confused photo shoot to accompany it and I was forced to see them on my feed. I'm not just saying this as a bitter infertile, but I do find all this American style bollocks totally OTT. Especially given that this particular couple met less then 12 months ago and live in the males halfs bedroom (who still lives with his mum)

Judgemental? Moi?Grin

isthismummy · 15/01/2018 13:31

Oh yes, hi Sierra sorry to have you here too (in the nicest possible way) it's a shitty place to be.

I don't blame you for wanting to forget about infertility Zippybear Hope everything is well? I had my FET last Tuesday (two blasts on board) having my bHCG this Thursday.

Zippybear · 15/01/2018 16:55

All is well here mummy, just ticking along trying not to dwell on the next stage. Crossing my fingers for you, how are you feeling about it all now? Are you planning to hold out until the beta or test early?

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isthismummy · 16/01/2018 12:26

Glad you're doing OK Zippybear and you survived Christmas.

I caved in and tested early (clinic will shoot me) it's a bfp!! I'm really happy, but obviously aware of just how many things can go wrong. I have my beta on Thursday. Feeling very anxious about it.

Zippybear · 16/01/2018 14:21

Wow massive congrats mummy! Amazing news

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isthismummy · 16/01/2018 16:58

Thank you so much ZippybearSmile

fourpawswhite · 17/01/2018 06:15

Fantastic news isthismummy. FlowersFlowers

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