Anyone else having IVF for second child after IVF for first?!?

[Bunnygirlie]

Hello!

We had IVF ICSI in January 2014 which resulted in our little boy born in October 2014. We started trying again when he's was 9 months hoping that nature would be on our side this time but after 3 months we decided to speak to the FC again to see if it was even worth bothering to try naturally. It wasn't and so we are to start IVF again very soon.

Looking for others going through the same thing if possible to be my buddy's

Holly do they do pgd at your clinic? You know how chrissie tiegen chose to have a girl embryo put back because they'd done pgd? Lots more clinics now seem to be offering this service outside the people who carry genetic disorders and their success rates are going through the roof - they're only putting back embryos with perfect chromasomes....something to ask about? You could have all remaining embies tested?
I'm just waiting for period to arrive then will ring to book in for our last ever fet. I think we'll put back two (dear god no twins) as it's our last shot.
sunny how was the scan yesterday? Lots of positive thoughts coming yr way.
And smiley - is yours next week or have I got confused?
Back to school this week so dd is back with the nanny (she LOVES her - hardly said goodbye to me this morn as she raced to see her own Mary Poppins) xx

Holly - sorry to hear about the no natural bfp, but very optimistic about the 7 embryos that's a good lot to have left! Keep positive it WILL happen!! It's always disappointing to hear pregnant news whilst going through all of this, I remember feeling bitter towards my brother and sil who I'm extremely close to, it's so hard and they just don't understand. It irritates me that people can just plan when they want to get pregnant and bam it happens! Keep smiling, good things come to those who wait so they say!
Yes Gilbert My scan is a week today the wait is driving me insane, I'm trying to keep
Positive as I've definately felt symptoms this week where as I haven't really had any before now. Hope your well too.
Sunshine how did it go today?!
Xx

They do PGD/PGS and suggested it as an option. They would prefer to do it on a fresh cycle because they don’t know the risk of defrosting, testing and then freezing again. We will certainly consider it but I think another natural, a medicated first. Need to have a proper think about what we’re prepared to go through next time.
I’d put two in if I were you Gilbert, higher success rates – twins are less appealing this time around now we know how hard the sleep deprivation is though eh?
Hope school is okay – hard term this one. Try not to let it get stressful for this cycle, easier said than done though I know.

Good news about the symptoms Smiley.
Hope it’s all going well today Roxy.
Sunshine? All okay?

Hope you're ok sunshine! Itching to know how you got on! Hope all good news, let us know how you are xx

Ladies, so sorry for my silence! Scan went fantastic yesterday and little pac man has a heartbeat and looks like it should at 6 wks 5 days. They have discharged me at the clinic technically but I can still go to my original scan next week if I want so think I'll wait and see how this week goes. After I left I phoned gp to book in with midwife and had to go to local birthing centre to fill out all the forms. Was late by the time I got back and today is DDs bday so has been chaos!

So sorry to have kept quiet for so long. I love catching up with everyone on here but has been a busy 24-48 hours that I feel like I haven't stopped!

Roxy how did collection go today?

Holly so sorry for your incentive MIL too and for your bro and SIL's news....my bro had baby 15 months after me naturally conceived within couple of months and I have been dreading that they were going to announce number 2 before we would be able to. Just seems so unfair that we have to struggle when others don't.

Gilbert are you sure about putting two back? The chances of twins is quite high isn't it? I was never given the option of two but I would rather put them back separately and have a greater chance of success from two cycles rather than one cycle with two embryos. In my head if something's not quite right for implantation that month then neither will take but if you have two transfers there is more chance of good soil! And the chances of twins are a very real one...I certainly couldn't cope with twins now. Sorry if I've put a dampener on things

Smiley what day is scan next week? Week today or week yesterday? How are the sore boobs?!

That's fantastic sunshine. So exciting!

Gilbert, when I did my first IVF ICSI cycle (which resulted in my daughter) we put two embryos in. One was a five day blast and one was slightly further behind and the embryologist said it may not survive the freeze and thaw so we put both in. I have no idea which one resulted in my daughter but I assume it was the stronger blast. We considered the possibility of twins and since it was my first pregnancy thought it was a risk worth taking. Now I'm four years older with a daughter already, I may consider the chance of two going back in a bit differently. It's totally up to your own circumstances and the likelihood of freezing. So many factors only you can decide on.

Sorry posted my last comment without putting a little update for myself.

Egg collection yesterday went well, 7 eggs retrieved. Phone call from the embryologist this morning said that if the 7, 5 were mature and with ICSI 4 have fertilised. So we get a next update on Sunday at day 3 to see how they are getting on for possible transfer on Tuesday! Feeling a bit sore today, more than I remember from the last time. But glad the hard parts are all over ( injections and retrieval)

Wishing you all the best whatever stage you are at!

Hi sunshine!!!! That's amazing news I'm super happy for you, knew it would be fine! And I feel a little more positive about myself now too, it's true... bleedings not bad all the time!! My scan is on Wednesday sunshine, counting down the days! I need to leave school early so im going to have to tell me head. As for the sore boobs, they come and go, tmi sorry but it's not really the boobs more the nipples they tingle but it's quite painfull!
Hi Roxy! Great news on the egg collection, fingers crossed for 5 day transfer then! Then the 2ww begins!
Xx

I keep trying to post but my Internet is on the blink!

Roxy fantastic news on the egg collection front! Fingers crossed all four are staying strong in Sunday and you're on for transfer on Tuesday. I remember my
EC in January feeling a lot worse than u had remembered previously....not sure if time had faded my memories or whether it's just cos we are older now and a bit more haggard!

Smiley thought it was Wednesday your scan as we had same dates. By that point you'll be nearly 8 weeks so hooefylly a decent size to see. We had scans at 6, 8 and 10 weeks before discharge last time and was mad how much scan changed.ij just two weeks.

Gilbert hope you're ok amongst your posting issues!

All good here just waiting for the period so I can actually booK in the final round! Re: the twin likelihood we reckon it's worth a little gamble. It's the last go, the odds for success are pretty low, we've got the embies....and my mum says if it was twins she and my dad would move up here to help out! She's a retired health visitor so knows her way around a baby or two ;). Tbh we've had so many failed cycles I can't see it working (famous last words...my mate had two put back and has triplet girls....)

Sounds like you've got a plan Gilbert! If that's what feels right then go for it!! How long until period due and you can crack on? Are you doing a medicated or non medicated?

I think if you had twins (or triplets ) you'd cope. It was blimming hard when the first born came along but we all coped and we wouldn't be here thinking of a second if it was unbearable! Plus it doesn't last forever. Friends of ours have one child followed by twins....their house is completely crazy but they muddled through and the kids are a little older now and getting easier.

Hello. Is there room for another here?

I'm 34, husband is 36 and we have a 4 year old dd. Dd was actually conceived just pre IVF after clomid and drilling.
Fast forward 4 years and here we are. Had a suprise natural btp last August but then mc at 6 weeks.
1st cycle or IVF in April all seemed awesome - 12 eggs, 10 mature - and then none fertilised.
So now on dr for cycle 2 which will be icsi.
Feel a fraud on the IVF threads where they don't have a child as I know I should be grateful for what I have but this gaping hole just won't go away.

Hello beanbunter, please join us!

My first ever IVF cycle was positive in 2012 which resulted in my daughter and I am now just awaiting embryo transfer on Tuesday for my 2nd cycle. I know what you mean about wanting another child and feeling a little out of place for those trying to conceive for the first time.

Sending you lots of positive thoughts for your upcoming cycle! X

Thanks rosy. I'm 10 days into dr (of 26!)

Roxy have you had ET yet?

Hi beany, welcome to the crew! Keep us posted on yr news xx

Hi there, yes, I'm officially in the two week wait! We transferred a top grade blastocyst so we are really pleased. I had a bit of a worry with pain in my ovaries yesterday which I had a horrible feeling was OHSS, but having had a scan this morning, I was showing no signs. We are also freezing two others which is brilliant as we had none to freeze for my last cycle which resulted in my daughter. Just have to keep my fingers and toes crossed now! X

Great news roxy!

So lots to think about after the icsi chat.

Generally embryologist seems very positive and says she anticipates a 70-80% fertilisation rate. With icsi we may also loose some anyway with the process too. Slight increase in risk of "minor" birth defects - webbed fingers being the biggest!

She suggests that a possible explanation for our failure to fertilise may be a thick "shell" on the egg. If this looks thick when they do the icsi or if the eggs are oval the suggest doing assisted hatching on day 3.

Having the time lapse camera and the feeling is if there are a couple of front runners on d3 they are inclined to put back then as they are keen to make sure I get to transfer. If loads all looking similar then carry on to blast. If have a d3 they would suggest having 2 back. Apparently this will increase risk of fraternal twins (need to check percentages) but higher order multiples from this low risk. If day 5 and assisted hatching then def only one blast if top quality because of risk of multiples.

They seem positive but I can't get rid of the niggle that it's all going to go tits up again. I also asked what she would suggest if we don't get good embryos/fertilisation this time and she said she would feel that they had reached the end of what the could offer me at that clinic.

I guess I'm now really hanging onto this oval thing/thick shell being our reason for not conceiving. After all M's sample is fine and we know I'm ovulating and as of last August when I conceived and had the MC I had at least 1 patent tube. So what if the boys swimmers just can't get in or anything the does fertilise can't hatch? Would be nice to have an explanation, especially if it's something that can be overcome.

Any thoughts?

Sorry it's epically long!

Zero fertilisation happened on our first round - 19 eggs collected then the next morning all sperm were dead. They never really said why (other than that was the end of ivf and we had to do icsi) but from the copious reading round I did afterwards I reckon either my eggs or his sperm contain anti-sperm antibodies (probs my eggs as his sperm were fine in all the early investigations). Anyway, icsi worked really well for us and it's being used more and more so hopefully it'll be full steam ahead for you guys. Fertilisation in the two fresh rounds we had following the failed ivf was fine.
roxy keep us posted on symptoms etc. Good luck! Pupo! Xx

Sorry for the lack of posting – very hectic here at the moment!

Amazing news about the scan Sunshine! That’s a huge relief and a really good milestone.

Good luck for your scan today Smiley – let us know how it goes. Hope the build up hasn’t been too stressful for you.

Good news about transfer Roxy! The hard bit starts now. Great that you have some to freeze too which takes the pressure off slightly. How are you feeling?

I’d be very tempted by two as well Gilbert… how hard can it be?!

Welcome bean – good luck with this cycle. I hated the DR part (not as much as the 2ww of course).

We had ICSI and had a good fertilisation rate (12/15 and then 10 went to blast) so hoping that will be the difference for you. For us they didn’t give us the option of standard IVF because sperm count was so low on the day of collection. We had our DD from ICSI and she is perfect. My worry now is that our ‘good quality blasts’ are not implanting into my ‘textbook womb’ so I worry it’s because ICSI made embryos that wouldn’t have got that far naturally and the frosties are false hope. The clinic still say it’s just a numbers game and think we should persevere. Who knows?

We’re in the midst of the third natural FET at the moment. Had a scan today and also my LH surge this morning. Everything looks good (she actually said textbook but we’ve had that on the last two failed cycles too) and transfer booked in for next Wednesday. Don’t know how I feel about it – I am struggling to stay positive after the last two cycles. Need to decide whether to have a sick day or book holiday on Wednesday.

Not good news, baby didn't make it past 5 weeks, all still in there though so I have to wait to miscarry. Not a good day

Oh smiley I'm so so sorry. Sending lots of love xx

Oh I'm so sorry. It's just horrible and so unfair.
I know nothing will make it better but make sure you have lots of cuddles with your little one and look after yourself xx

Oh Smiley, I'm so so sorry. Sending you lots of best wishes. It's a cruel and horrible process sometimes. Big hugs