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Any success stories and ideas for secondary infertility?

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Annabellaboo · 06/01/2016 11:29

Hello ladies.
I am hoping to get some ideas and support on here.
I am 35 years old, very healthy with a 3 year DS. We have been trying to conceive our second child for 2 years now. I became pregnant very easily with my first and had an easy pregnancy.
This time nothing.
I have had all the tests the nhs provides. Progesterone normal, I ovulate, DH sperm count is normal, no blockages etc etc. I have tried charting, ov sticks, changed my already pretty healthy diet (cut out refined sugars and have lots more greens etc, and alkalised my body). I take advised supplements and have even tried acupuncture.
I do however have short cycles, sometimes as short as 21 days but averaging 24. This is a little shorter than I had before my DS.
We cannot afford IVF and I am not sure I can face that anyway.
My consultant last month has prescribed me a half dose (25mg) of clomid, which a scan showed on the first round it definitely boosted things even more with a good few mature follicles. I already ovulate but she thought as my cycles are quite short and a little irregular it may give me a boost.
I have been convinced several times I was pregnant (oh how cruel our bodies and brains can be!) but AF always turns up.
I guess what I am asking is does anyone have any other suggestions of things I could try or why I can't conceive time. I am open to theories and alternative methods.
Any experience in this subject and success stories please share.
I try not to stress about it all, but some months it just really gets you down as there is no real 'reason'. The hard thing is watching other mums around get pregnant multiple times so easily.
Thank you for listening!
Anna

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Katymac32 · 30/08/2016 20:20

Bloop- I have those wobbly moments too. I had to go to Mothercare earlier to buy my friends baby a present and I know it sounds melodramatic but it just felt like a stab in the heart. All the baby wear and big bellies. It's good to know (but not in horrible way! ) that I'm not alone and there actually are little groups of us out there going through this mental trauma everywhere.

Fraggle- when I actually write it down like that it sounds so simple doesn't it? I completely get the treatment rollarcoaster and I'm sure I won't be so cut and dry when it comes to it! It's my little mantra I keep telling myself to stay sane. It really is obsessive isn't it? I just don't know how you can ever move on from it.

Rose- I'm sorry that you aren't having quads and how frustrating you can't fit in a treatment this cycle. A holiday sounds like a nice distraction at the very least X

FraggleRock77 · 30/08/2016 23:04

I not sure how to Katy?! I think the clinic would have to say stop! Even then you could travel abroad to other clinics where the rules on some of the variables aren't so strict. It's a very slippery bloody slope!

Annabellaboo · 31/08/2016 12:38

Hi ladies. Struggling the last couple of days. period due any moment so prob feeling extra sensitive because of that. I feel I have genuinely started to accept and come to terms with the possibility of maybe only having one child. This has taken over 2 years and has not come easily as you all know the emotional turmoil that takes many different shapes over time. But the last couple months has been different and I feel I've sort of come out the other side. Of course it still sucks and I still hope for a miracle but I am not the mess I once was. However now I have a new challenge. I have mentioned how my DS sometimes brings up why we don't have a baby etc before. 2 days ago whilst we were having a bedtime cuddle he says to me "mummy why don't I have a brother?" I did the usual explanation of maybe one day if we are lucky we will and if not we are a lovely little family the way we are etc. He then continued to ask how a baby comes etc and then he said "but if I don't ever have a brother or sister I will be very very sad for a long long time".
This really has upset me. We honestly don't say a word to him about any of this so its all coming from him. So however much I have come to terms with things and accepted I may never hold another new born of my own I don't know how to begin to accept it on behalf of my DS. Now the wish and need for another baby is not about me anymore- it's about my DS. Please please please universe let it happen so I haven't failed my son. Making wishes for him now-not myself. Sad

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Bloopbleep · 31/08/2016 12:58

Anna I'm so sorry you're struggling right now and I do understand the angst. I tell my Dd that my body just can't make another baby as its not working as it would need to, to do so. She seemed to happily accept that but she didn't like it when I'd say maybe one day, there were too many open ends for her child's mind. It was far easier for her to understand my body couldn't do it. Now she's saying she doesn't want to share me or my cuddles with a brother or sister and now my desire for another is firmly about me and what I want. I know my Dd will do just fine as an only child but it took explaining the problem to her realistically to get there. Maybe it's time to tell your son your body isn't ready yet and he'll have to learn to be patient. I know that might sound cruel but you can't go beating yourself up about it. None of us can afford to be doing that.

Katymac32 · 31/08/2016 13:38

Oh Anna I'm sorry. Kids can just break your heart sometimes. I think that's good advice from Bloop in what to say. And you need to look at your son and see that he is happy really. I'm sure you surround him with other children and family. He has that and he has the complete unconditional love of his parents. Is he unhappy really that he doesn't have a sibling? I doubt it at at the moment he doesn't understand yet that having a sibling means sharing you. It's a horrible stigma only children have but most are really very happy. You just need to remind yourself you are not denying him anything and you are really trying your best. It's so tough I'm sorry you feel like this. I bet he's forgotten this feeling of sadness already and has moved on to something else by now so don't feel the need to shoulder that sadness xx

Katymac32 · 01/09/2016 08:04

My little one must have heard you Anna. He found a picture of me cuddling him as a baby and put it next to him at breakfast. He was bringing photo food and even a dummy. He then said he felt sad as the baby wouldn't eat the food he gave him. Honestly it's heart breaking! Of course he's moved on but that scene is going to stick with me for the day. These kids aye!

hippybird · 02/09/2016 10:05

Hi everyone! I hope you don't mind me joining in. I have previously been on a MN TTC thread, but it kind of fizzled out after going for nearly 18 months...

Which brings me to my story. I'll try not to make it too long. I would really appreciate any advice - as this board is more relevant to me, and you guys seem to be really well informed.

(BTW, I've read the first 3 pages, and the last 3. I hope to get round to the middle part, but I am working from home today, and actually need to get on with some work! Smile)

Like Annabellaboo I have short-ish cycles. I average 25 days, but periods can be anywhere from CD 21 to 30 (once). I'm 39 (art, how did that happen!?) and our son is 9. We've been trying for two years, and as far as I know, no success at all, no chemicals as far as I know and I have tested after a few times...

I got pregnant on holiday when we were both still 29, young, carefree and poor. We didn't use contraception for one hol, and when we got back and AF was late, I had a positive test, and that was that. 9 months later our amazing son was born, healthy and happy. As I said, we were pretty broke, but made it work, just about. This is because, although I was in full time work, my DH (then BF) was doing a PhD. So we decided to wait until he had full time work before trying. I had also found it pretty hard, the new baby thing, I seem to remember, and still felt so young. We were also one of the first of our circle of friends to try, so we were both happy to wait. I had a hormone free coil fitted and that was that. DH finished his PhD when DS was 2 or 3 (gosh, can't remember!). Then, when DS was 3, I had some joint complaints investigated under my private healthcare I get at work (I absolutely support the NHS, just thought I may as well take advantage). Long story short, they diagnosed me with bursitis of the hips, and the specialist offered me a steroid injection in both hips. I had some sort of reaction to that and ended up unable to walk for two weeks, in excruciating pain, and was eventually diagnosed with mayofacial pain syndrome (I guess, look it up, if you are interested?). Nothing helped the pain at all, until I tried a drug called Pregabalin, which is a neurological drug they give to Epileptics, and it literally took the pain away. But... you can't get pregnant on it. So I ended up on that for 3 years (ish). I actually got "addicted" to the pills, so they were really hard to come off. I started on 50mg a day, and went up to 600mg a day. I was high as a kite I think, looking back (I held a full time job during all of this!! How, I do not know!). So it was really hard to come off, but over about a year I got clear. I was so caught up with my health problems that I just wasn't focuses on babies/siblings, but in the back of my mind, I knew we would try again when we could. So a few months after coming off the pills, as recommended by my doc, I had the coil removed...

So (thanks for reading, if you have indeed stuck with me!) onto the TTC part of the story. I also haven't mentioned that I switched to a mirena coil (which has hormones) after I was recommended by a friend who's doctor friend had recommended it, because I was suddenly getting terrible periods on the old, regular coil, and getting fake pregnancy symptoms, swollen belly, huge tits (!), nausea, etc... It was obviously sending my hormones a bit wild. Things settled back down with the mirena. As I say, my periods are irregular now, sometimes with spotting for 2-3 days before. Before DS they were always 28 days, regular as clockwork. I remember as I used to be able to count 7, 14, 21, 21 and calculate when I was due, and therefore knew when I was late.

Anyway, we started optimistically enough, But, for about a year of our trying, I was teased with a promotion at work (which finally happened last Dec). So I have to be honest and say my heart was only half in it, and I half didn't want it to happen right away. However, after the promotion, after feeling a bit guilty and worrying about getting preg too quickly (I needn't have worried - ha!), we've been trying and nothing...nada...zilch. I feel like I've possibly been too relaxed about the whole thing, and now, here I am, aged (nearly 40!) and DS 9 (nearly 10), and the very real possibility he may be an only child...

However, I do really want it to happen, and am kind of facing up to it now. Try and buff up a bit more...

A bit more info. I've had blood tests at beg and middle of cycle (I think) and both were fine. DH is just about to get a sperm analysis (told you I've been overly relaxed), I had acupuncture for about 4/5 months, which helped the spotting, but didn't lengthen my cycles - then again, maybe a little. Maybe it helped them be more like 25 days, rather than 21. I went through a phase of temping for about 8 cycles, and I get a temp dip and rise indicating a CD10 ovulation, which would make sense with cycle length. I've tried eating gluten and dairy free for a few months, and slowly come off as it's not worked. And I always forget to take pre-natal fits. Do you think that helps?

I'm actually on a weird cycle at the mo. Currently on CD 28, which is late for me, and I've been wearing pads the last 3 days in expectation, and have had the faintest spots (don't think you could even call them that, could be darker yellow discharge?), but felt like I could smell that period smell - you know? I haven't taken a test, as I've promised myself not to until after CD30, after too many disappointments... Also, we only DDT once as we were on holiday, with other people in the house!

Thanks so much for persevering and reading (if you have), I have actually found it really therapeutic to write it all out, and feel like it's helped me reach two conclusions. 1. Bloody hell, I had a hard time of it for a few years!! And 2. Maybe I wasn't as relaxed about TTC as I like to think!

hippybird · 02/09/2016 12:03

UPDATE: (sorry for another post, but will be short)
I caved and took a test, and got BFN, plus, proper spotting (took test anyway, as wanted to be sure).

closephine85 · 02/09/2016 21:44

Hi ladies how are you all doing?

Anna - are you feeling any better? How old is your ds again? I don't think he really KNOWS what he's saying if that makes any sense? the meaning behind the words won't really be there. I know it doesn't really make it any easier, but I'm sure there were multiple times in my childhood I told my parents I wished I was an only child :) (I have three brothers!)

Hippy - welcome. That was a LONG post and I'm afraid I don't have much experience/any advice! It does sound like your body has been through a lot and could just need some time. How long have you been ttc? Sorry, you have probably said.

Rose - did you AF arrive?

No news over here. Just plodding along. AF almost over and waiting to see if the spotting disappears with it (please let it go away!).

Bloopbleep · 02/09/2016 21:49

Hey hippybird. Story not to dissimilar to mine, although I have Rheumatoid arthritis. At 39 my periods became wonky anything from 21 to 35 days with spotting in the 2 week wait until af. Found out I don't ovulate very regularly (or more likely I do but the corpus luteum is crap and isn't strong enough to maintain a pregnancy. I had the period from hell just over a year ago (crippling pain and extremely heavy) and since then it's been ridiculously light, short and painful. Had a mc in Jan but nothing since. I'm told it's not age related (I'm 41) but I struggle to believe them. Have you had your AMH for ovarian reserve checked? While it's an indicator of how many eggs there are it won't tell you quality of those eggs.

I honestly wish I had an answer as to why everything changes and how to fix it but nothing has worked for me.

Af turned up today 4/5 days late after every pregnancy symptom that exists bar a baby popping out. I knew I wasn't so there wasn't much point in symptom spotting but it's so bloody irritating having to put up with the sore boobs, nausea and horrible fatigue knowing there's no reason for it :(

Onto next cycle.

Annabellaboo · 03/09/2016 11:02

Hi all. Will write more later. We have our open house today so things have been a bit manic! I am fine now and thank you everyone for your advice and kind words. It does helps in the dark times.

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closephine85 · 03/09/2016 21:03

Having a bit of a wobble today. Keep thinking about ds starting school on Tuesday and my stomach flips!

hippybird · 03/09/2016 22:19

Hi everyone, thanks for the welcome closaphine and bloop - so sorry about the long post!! Once, I got going...

I know we don't know each other that well, but I hope you won't mind if I vent... I'm reading through the history of this thread (slowly) and I know you've all been through these things...

It's just that it is CD29 today and I've still just had the faintest of spotting, I mean, blink and you'll miss it. I've only just had AF arrive in CD30 once in 2 years of trying, and so of course I've been getting my hopes up... I hate this feeling of limbo! And I'm pretty sure it will come tomorrow, as it has got slightly more pronounced as today has gone on. Sigh.

Anna I hope the open house went well
closephine sorry you're feeling wobbly today... It just sucks. X

bloop - thanks for your reply - I really appreciate it. I'll respond properly tomorrow = am self medicating with trashy TV and choc tonight, but just needed a quick vent.

by the way, reading through the history, I saw flowers was on here about mid-way through - are you still here? Nice to hear from you - sorry we're both still trying though X

FraggleRock77 · 04/09/2016 18:17

Hello Hippy. Sorry you're having a tough time. I know how you feel Closephine. Our DS is nearly three and time is passing so quickly. I so wanted to have another baby by now! Just keep thinking it's never going to happen. Eaten a family size box of chocolates today!

Incywincyspinster · 04/09/2016 23:42

Hi I changed my name from bloopbleep and can't remember my password to change it back. Think I prefer this one anyway.

So, more relatives announcing their pregnancies. All of them on their second or third child since I had my one. A neighbour's daughter (my age) just announced her 7th pregnancy and her eldest is having her first about the same time... meh.

My period is so bloody light. This can't be normal. Everyone tells me to appreciate the light flow but it never used to be like this. It only floods on the morning of day one then its spotting from the evening onwards. Ridiculously light flow with ridiculously painful cramps. No idea why or how to change it. Acupuncture hasn't helped any in that respect.

I'm feeling really sorry for myself and really bloody useless as a woman. I have noone I can talk to in real life about this kind of stuff and on the one occasion I tried I was told to appreciate the one I have, as if I don't already do that. I keep thinking I'm never going to get that skin to skin feeling again and that is breaking my heart. I'm scared to try anti depressants in case that would affect my chances of having a baby when they're already so bloody slim.

hippybird · 05/09/2016 07:20

Nice new name incy (although bloopbeep was good too). So sorry you're feeling so low Sad, it is so hard, especially that first day of flow. I know just how you feel about the worry of a light flow - over the last 6 months or so, 3 or 4 have just been 2 day jobs. 1 day of normal, not even that heavy, medium/light day 2, then spotting. And cramps. I also get very achey and joint pain as a pre symptom, and when I'm on. It used to be much worse actually, I've knocked that on the head slightly, not sure how. I used to get ill often during my period, like a flue-like thing. That was when I was on the coil I think, come to think of it...
Do you temp? I remember that the one thing acupuncture really did help was my fluctuating temperatures - when I first started, they were all over the place, and after about 3 cycles, they started to regulate, and settle into a more normal pattern. That's how I know I ovulate around CD10, because of the temping.

I know it's hard, but I think we have to keep faith that it will happen. Have any of you read The Baby Making Bible, it's written by an acupuncturist, and I really like it (partly why I'm called Hippybird!). She encourages positive visualisation. Obviously it didn't work for me, but it was a really interesting read, and I almost believe it could work - I might get it out again and try again. You diagnose your fertility type, based on Chinese/acupuncture medicine, then she makes recommendations for each part of your cycle...

Anyway, I fear I've written another long post. Sorry! Stay strong, do anything you can to nurture yourself, (what is a really comforting treat for you), and maybe try antidepressants? You could talk to your doc. Didn't one woman who posted a success story here say she conceived a month after starting them? Hugs!
fraggle I'm really sorry you're struggling too!! Hugs.

Incywincyspinster · 05/09/2016 12:20

Thanks HIppybird - I was seeing an acupuncturist every fortnight but my finances have changed recently and can't afford the £40 at the moment (partner is studying) - my temps were all over the place even with acupuncture, except once and that was with a different woman who doesn't usually work there. Im trying to find out where she works normally but they're not keen on losing business. Im thinking I need to go back at least once a month though as the PMS I experienced this last cycle was horrific and thats my first month of not doing it since march.

Tara04 · 05/09/2016 17:44

Hi incy just a heads up on anti depressants my oh was on them two different ones one was ok when ttc and the other caused male infertility while on them but should resume when stopped so just so you know as my doctor tends to just write a prescription without considering ttc.hope every one is doing good iv Ovd early again cd 10 so tww starts.closephine good luck 2morro I know it's hard but try to enjoy the milestone and hopefully ul catch the baby gate bump 😂.my ds thinks I'm to old to have any more baby's iv just turned 30 lol so no wishing for a sibling from him.welcome hippy sorry your now on this thread hoping for a happy story from here soon xx

closephine85 · 05/09/2016 18:18

Hi all

How are you all doing?

Hippy - did AF arrive?

Incy (bloop) - I had never really thought about how heavy AF is until now, but I only really get a day of 'full flow' the rest is all relatively light and easy to deal with. I've never really worried about it though, it's always been the same before I had DS and my lining always looks ok (not spectacular but ok) on scans. Have you had any ultrasounds to check your lining?

I am still wallowing. School starts tomorrow. Can't believe we've got this far with no second baby/not even a single bfp. Roll on January and IVF. I am not backing out this time!

Tara04 · 05/09/2016 18:43

Hey closephine I know it does suck I started ttc just before ds started p1 as I thaught that it would just happen and I would have time with the new baby while he was at school but Ovs that didn't work he's now in p4😪.i think it depends how u feel on any day I was dreading the 3 new borns at school and af hAd just arrived but I didn't feel too sad just stared at them and how tiny they are but this week iv had my meltdown of ffs how can she and I can't lol so hopefully your ha ring a good day 2morro.january seems ages away but I seen xmas stuff shops so itl be here soon xx

Rose8282 · 05/09/2016 19:46

Hi ladies, sorry for the silence- we've been on holiday in the West Country and now on holiday in Spain. Sorry to hear you've had a bit of a wobble, Anna and closephine. I hope tomorrow isn't as bad as you've been thinking, closephine.

I've just come to the end of AF- we weren't able to commence an IUI cycle annoyingly because of our holiday.

My AF has also been really light as a few of you mentioned was the case with you. This month just a day or two. I do worry about whether this means my uterus lining is quite thing. As was mentioned on my scan- and whether this is affecting implantation. I also worry that if this is the case, then would IVF even work?

A few of you mentioned antidepressants. I actually started these a few months ago. Didn't mention it at the time as it's quite personal, but I think I was just feeling so low and tearful at the time that I wasn't really functioning well and didn't want this to affect my DD or my DH as well as me. I don't love the idea of being on them but the alternative was not good. Needless to say they are pretty great and my state of mind has been so much better since- my thinking has always been that if I got pregnant I would wean off straight away as my low mood seems directly related to the infertility issue.

Anyway, on a more positive note, we are having a very relaxing holiday and I probably dealt with my AF this month better than I have ever before since this whole malarkey began (also prob cos I knew chances of pregnancy were remarkably low!)

Good luck tomorrow closephine. January will be here in no time x

FraggleRock77 · 05/09/2016 19:58

I've never thought about light AF's either, as mine are pretty light. Even after two failed FTs! My linings have only been in the needed range both times though, maybe that's the issue! Is there some medical thinking behind this?
Good luck tomorrow Closephine. I'm sure Jan will fly round, it's only 14 Wks to Xmas now. Although in fertility terms i know that seems like ages. We have our review meeting next Thurs. I'm hoping they will say we can go again next month with a full cycle.

Katymac32 · 05/09/2016 20:22

Hello

Closephine good luck tomorrow. These milestones are so hard, I hope it's easier than you think. IVF will come by soon. We are starting next month. I'm starting to get nervous now! First consultations and blood tests etc start next Wednesday. I am in 2ww this month and ovulated a lot earlier than I thought using the expensive clearblue tests but zero symptoms so I know I'm out.

I have the opposite- my periods seem to be a lot heavier than pre my ds. Always wondered if that meant anything.

Rose- enjoy your holiday it sounds like a much needed break. Xx

closephine85 · 05/09/2016 22:10

Rose - totally get why you didn't mention the antidepressants before, it is personal but no shame in it. That's great that they are working for you. My gp suggested them to me, I often think I should, but after reading one of the side effects is weight gain I began to worry as my mood can vary depending on whether I've gained/lost a few pounds and not sure if it could end up being counter productive.

There's a post on the conception board asking for success stories with low sorry counts. There seem to be a couple and it fills me with fear that there is an underlying problem with me too that hasn't been identified. I was just chatting to DH about when we first started ttc our ds. I was convinced I was going to have fertility problems. Then we conceived ds in the 7th month of trying and I assumed my gut feeling was wrong. Obviously my gut was right... but how did it know?! And if it knew that, why doesn't it know what the exact problem is!?

closephine85 · 05/09/2016 22:10

Sperm counts not sorry counts!