Infertility Rant!

[loopylou1984]

Thread two moving on from infertility meltdown!
Feel free to join us to rant about any part of the infertility journey

No ones ever happy hey?!
I got the dad in the post today, so thank you for that. I'll be giving it a try after Xmas :). Xx

Merry Christmas ladies, hope you have a good one x

Hope you've all had a lovely Christmas! X

I assume you mean DVD rather than dad sammy? If so, I am glad it made it there. As I am currently still trying to repay my IVF debt before I stop work in 8 short weeks, I only paid for the bare minimum to get it there. After I sent it, I really worried that I should have paid extra for insurance to make sure it made it all the way from Australia to you. So if it made it, I am relieved.

Yes dvd! Oops!

Thank you

Hope you've had a lovely Christmas. Xx

You are more than welcome. Hope you had a lovely Christmass too sammy - and one step closer to the new year and getting on with things in your FET cycle.

Happy new year!

sammy may 2016 bring you your longed for pregnancy even if they won't be born until 2017 x

Happy New Year everyone! Bit if a stressful start for us with two poorly babies and no GP surgeries open :-( had two very long waits for the out of hours GP at our local hospital.

I hope everyone is well and looking forward to 2016 - shell, not long left for you now, are the baby preparations going well? And sammy, best of luck for your next round of treatment :-)

Oh Ruby, that does sound stressful. Hope they are both recovering. Yes, the baby preparations are going well... it's the labor preparation part that has me stressed! Hoping that I won't need to be induced this time as I heard that is way worse and also hoping the fact that this is my second labor means it's quicker... but its all unknown so I have three months of counting down while I wait and wonder!

I had an induction shell. It was quite bad but I was just not ready for it at 37 weeks (36 by my dates!)! Bean wanted to stay in. People on my AN thread have had inductions at term or overdue and had positive experiences.

ruby hope your boys are OK now. I had a tough night with a very snotty bean last night. Was awake til 4.30 with him, yawn!

Thanks for your kind efforts to reassure me re induction chops. I can imagine it would be worse if you are 36/37 weeks and your body has not yet gone through it's natural process of thinning the cervix etc before labor starts! I was two weeks overdue with DS1 and still found that it was awful from the get go compared to what I hear about natural. Really just have to count down and see and hope that I am not overdue this time. But even without induction, I know it's still going to hurt and am still dreading it. Just want that day over with. Then I'll be at the next phase and joining you and Ruby in telling you how tired I am... 4.30am - ouch!

Yes shell it hurts and my nether parts hurt for another 3 weeks coz of the amount of stitches and piles I had! But it's gone and forgotten now After a few really bad nights with baby chops we had a good one last night 2x 3.5hour sleeps! Record!!

Sammylou sorry to crash the thread, but I was just reading about your lining question and wanted to chip in as I’ve had some similar issues

I’ve had persistent thin lining issues, and quite a bit of what you’ve mentioned sounds familiar.

I had a very low BMI until fairly recently - a year ago I had a BMI of under 17.5, and only recently got to a BMI of 19. I was also on the pill for years and years, and was also told that both could well be a factor in my thin lining.

My Dr told me 7mm was his absolute minimum thickness for transfer, but liked it to be closer to 8mm ideally. During my first IVF cycle in Sept / Oct last year, my lining was just above the min at my last scan before trigger - however 2 days later on EC day my lining had gone backwards by over 1mm to just 6.4mm We ended up having to freeze-all anyway, as my DH was ill on the day and we had issues with a fresh sample, so the eggs had to go straight into the freezer unfertilised.

I’ve just started a second fresh cycle (I have very low AMH, so we decided to try and do another round of stims to try and get another crop of eggs, in the hope that we can have a better shot at getting some decent embryos) - we plan is to add in some progynova whilst I’m stimming, and am desperately hoping my lining thickens up enough to be able to have a fresh transfer.

How is your lining outside of IVF? My lining has been completely crap in my natural cycles too, it seems I just don’t produce enough oestrogen by myself. I’m really hoping that I respond to the oestrogen pills and / or patches - apparently treatments like vaginal viagra can be used for unresponsive lining, am hoping it doesn’t come to that!

Wishing you lots of luck for your FET, hope you get a lovely thick, cushiony lining xx

Hi banana,

I'm really starting to think it could be a bmi thing, am trying very hard to put on some wait.

My lining naturally seems to be around 7mm, my clinics minimum is 6.5mm so it's ok, but not great.

The weird thing is my estrogen levels are fine, and I even got OHSS on ny fresh IVF so estrogen must have been pretty high then!

Wishing you lots of luck for your round too, please update me? Although I don't come here much anymore as everyone else has got their bfp/baby now. If you fancy it there is a thread on the conception board called 'ttc 10 months and the rest, 10 plussers welcome' here several of us are going through various stages of IVF/assisted conception. Xx

Hi SammyLou, sorry to gatecrash the thread, and I haven't been able to read very far back so apologies if this has already been suggested - I had quite poor lining in my first two cycles, so I started taking selenium supplements for my last 2 cycles and it was noticeably thicker (my nails and hair got better too, bonus).

It might not work for you - and unfortunately it didn't help me get a BFP - but it definitely made a difference for me x

Thank you Angelica! I'll definitely give it a go
What did you lining increase from/to?

Are you still ttc? Xx

Thanks sammy - will come and find you on that thread

Thanks also Angelica for the tip - I’ve been taking extra selenium with my —bloody handfuls of— various supplements, so fingers crossed! Interesting about the hair and nails - my DH has been taking it for his swimmers, and it’s amazing the difference it’s made to patches of dry skin. So sorry that your cycles weren’t successful, but delighted that you found something that helped with your lining

xx

Funny chops, to me now I'm thinking '2 x 3.5 hour lots of sleep - I would be so tired if that's all I got!' But you are elated about this being a good sleep for you now! At least with your decision for one child, the first pregnancy you could enjoy an 'ignorance is bliss' approach about childbirth, and you won't be in my position of counting down a second time knowing what you are in for! It's nice to still come on Mumsnet and not join in other peoples infertility journey to remember my own - certainly helps as I remember the permanent heartache of wanting to be pregnant, compared to the upcoming labor which will just be one day, so it helps keep things in perspective.

How are you sammy? Timme still going glacial slow while you count down? I can understand you not coming here much anymore with us having our BFP's, but here to chat if you need xox.

banana, am just about to jump over to the IVF thread to see if you've posted any updates about your stimming now that it has FINALLY started.

With you until the end sammy x x

Second that chops

Hi sammy - it never really got much above 6.5mm before; my first FET had to be postponed a week while I took more progynova as it was only 5.8mm at my second scan. With my latest FET it got up to over 8.5mm. I just bought a bit tub of tablets from Holland & Barratt and started taking one a day about 8 weeks before the cycle started.

Fingers crossed it helps you - we're currently taking some time out to have a 'normal' life for a bit (4 cycles in a year was a killer), so planning a privately-funded cycle later this year xx

Thanks shell/chops - I really don't expect you to stick around listening to me complaining though. You're more than welcome of course, but I understand if you're busy with other things now :).

Angelica - wow! What dose did you take?
Good luck with your future cycle whenever you decide to try again! Xx

Very sweet of you to be concerned about us sammy when you are in the midst of your own sagas. But honestly, I enjoy coming on here and giving you support. Even though I am now pregnant, I still haven't felt like moving onto the pregnancy or childbirth threads. These women have a totally different mindset and I still feel such an affinity to this world of infertility and women who understand what I've been through and I totally understand what you are going through.

That selenium that Angelica mentions sounds like a cheap way to thicken the lining and sounds like it did amazing things for her. If I had known this back when I was trying and struggling with my thin lining, I definitely would have added it to my already very long list of supplements I was taking. Hope it does good things for you too sammy.

In all your waiting, I'm losing track of things sammy. You'll have to refresh my memory of when you are planning to try again... must be coming up soon? And what is the exact plan of action for the upcoming cycle?

Thanks Shell, and yes, I'm going to get some selenium, it's worth a try!

Well we have to wait until my end of February af before we can start again as they were super busy after Xmas.

So we have a nurse consultation on the 3rd feb (to discuss exact plan and drugs I guess) then will have baseline around 30th feb depending on af and transfer (all being well on the drugs front) around mid March.

How are you feeling? Xx

Goodness Sammy, that seems like a long wait! I hope at least it allows time for the selenium to work it's magic. Guess you won't really know if it's doing anything until your IVF scan in March but it seems a cheap thing to do so like you say, worth a try.

I am feeling well thank you. I am just counting down to labor. Really want to be on the other side of that. Just dreading it. The first time, I had no clue about it and it was a case of case ignorance is bliss. Like I've said before, I was induced first time which I heard is five times worse and I do hear some stories that second time is much easier so hopefully that will make it better again (assuming I don't need to be induced again this time!) but I still don't think it's going to be 'easy'. I woke up during the night last night and it's the first thing on my mind, so I know it is bothering me. I know I shouldn't complain on here when you can only dream of being in my position so I shall try not to whinge too much. Plus I don't want to pass my fear of it on to you before you even get there. Hopefully I've be able to report back that my fears weren't realised... and hopefully my baby will be coming out as yours is busy burrowing in!