Ivf anyone starting stimms next week?

[naty1]

Im starting stimns next week for icsi(dependent on blood test)?
Anyone at the same time want to join.

I have a protein shake most mornings for breakfast.
It's a natural pea protein so none of the nasty numbers and fake sugars... but I then add banana to make it palatable which is of course all carbs.

I have started just doing 1/2 banana instead.

I use soy milk instead of cows milk which I am unsure about as I know soy is controversial but I figure it is more natural.

Yes, I am in the same boat in that even when DM talks about baby, it makes me go home for the afternoon with the same feelings.
Don't think anyone who isn't going through this could understand if I said to them I have to keep my distance while I undergo IVF, and I don't want to be the 'bitch' who didn't care so I can't see any way out.

Seeing my IVF Dr tomorrow.
My period arrived today from my failed IVF.
I am still undecided if I should start estrogen on day 20 of this cycle and do IVF next cycle, of if I should have a total break this cycle and start estrogen day 20 of next cycle.

So wed for the blood test and then if ok injections start in the evening.

Shell so you decided on a break then.

Blood test was fine so started injections and first scan is early on wed.
Gonal f is so much easier to do.
Just have to see now if it gets better results , i really hope so.
Though cons said it would make no difference.
DSis is 39 wks this w/e. Its so annoying it would have been so nice to have a 3 wk gap.

So sorry I've fallen off the face of the earth.
Have been trying to get back into old hobbies to distract myself from all this.
It was working until my sister now has a 4 day old baby that I had to visit.
And today went to visit other couple I haven't seen in a year and they too had a 4 day old baby to show off to me!!!!
So this nightmare is now fresh on my mind again.

Wow, so you are in the midst of another IVF cycle.
What day are you at?
Did you do the down reg thing?
It just seems to have come around quick (although probably not for you!)

Yes, I decided to take a break.
Just thought it might be better for my ovaries to have a break.
One after the other obviously isn't working.
For the first time I have actually lost track of where I am at this cycle.
My saliva kit shows my cells are kinda in the about to ovulate ferning pattern and with the 2 four day old babies to remind me of my situation, I had sex with hubby twice today in desperate hope this will come to an end.
But I am assuming it won't work and my period will come in about two weeks.
Then day 20 of next cycle I start estrogen and then IVF the following cycle.

1st scan on wed. No idea where ill be as diff meds and after last time.

Call from gps as ive req more thyroxine and they think it should lasted 4m (as their system still says alt days but should say every day from march) im now on 2 alt with 1 so not sure how that will go as that is not recorded on their system. Its not like my tsh is low though only about right for ivf if not a but high at 2, which is what ill say as it hadnt increased when at 2.4 i guarantee next result would have been over the limit so delaying me. They just want to give minimum and dont care about any side effects of high tsh if its within limits. Thing is mine rises so much if i tested at 4.0 then they said fine within a month it would be above their limit 4.2 and i wouldnt be tested for 12m when it be over 6.

Babies everywhere not ideal. I think your body must have needed a break, though its so hard.
DSis hasnt had DN yet prob this week though.

DH left my progesterone next to radiator which was on yesterday, though i think not hot enough to melt as theyre in a box etc, or i hope so.
Always something to go wrong.
How easy are these gonal f injections? So much easier than menopur.
I feel so bloated already so not sure if thats good or not such a balance to get the right number of eggs. Imagine if they are overripe already.

Did you down reg this cycle or just start drugs on day 2/3 of stims?
What day of your cycle will your Wed scan be?
Your TSH sounds like such an extra stress.
One more thing to worry about that could go wrong.
But you sound like you know what range you want and what is good for IVF.

Yep, babies everywhere really has had me depressed and teary.
Now that she's had the baby, I am obligated to visit and am constantly getting updates.
I know it's her first and it's exciting for her and she has no idea how it is making me feel.
Can't very well say 'I don't want to see or talk about your baby until after my next IVF ends at end of year!'
So I am just putting up with things but it really isn't helping me be in the right headspace for my next IVF.
Just bought an IVF hypnosis CD. Hope that helps.

Are you doing anything for yourself mentally while you go through IVF?
I need all the tips I can get at the moment!

Yes, FSH is so much easier than mixing Menopur!
What dose of the FSH are you taking?
My Dr suggested 300 for my next IVF and I said perhaps I need more as I haven't responded so well in the past.
So we decided upon 450 dose for next IVF.
But now I am thinking perhaps the Menopur was the reason I didn't respond well and that 450 is too much and is just going to fry the eggs and make them poor quality.

150 but it feels like a lot more. Was on 150/75 of menopur on all others.

Feel very bloated.
Im concerned itll be all baby when DSis has hers as its already we want her in this and that photo for xmas.
Didnt your follicles grow too quickly or was that a previous cycle?
How much can they move the dose around? Can people start on a higher dose for a few days to get more growing then drop down to get them growing slower.
It seems that by the time i have my 1st scan (after inj 7days) it can be too late to change how many will grow and to slow down if they grow too fast. It hasnt been an issue to me before as with a small dose mine grew slowly.
Wonder how scan will go tomorrow.

I did down reg again but only had 5 wk gap i think after cancelled.

Coincidence that we are both in the same boat with Dsis both having babies same time - so I know exactly how you feel.
My IVF cycle will finish just before xmas.
Naturally Dsis will be excited about their baby and it's all they will talk about.

My Mum loves grandchildren so she will be gooing and gahhing over baby all day.

Meanwhile I will be trying to hide tears if cycle fails. Too much.
Husbands family has a pregnant couple too so that day won't be any more fun.
Thinking of going to visit my other Dsis interstate to get away but I don't know that I can afford it after already struggling to save for next IVF.

Did my follicles grow too quickly last cycle?
The first (day 6?) scan showed my follicles at 17-19mm.
But then the day 8 scan showed them at 10-11mm.
So I think it was an error on their part.
Interesting that you feel more bloated now on less drugs (just 150 Gonal) compared to more drugs last cycles (150 Gonal plus 75 Menour)
Very curious to hear how your scan goes.

Looks like DSis will have it today. I guess its the age we're at where most people i know have had babies in last 2 years.
I had 15 follicles 9-14 mm next scan fri. Still not many on right side,5, so wonder if it was damaged on jan operation as previously had around 10 on each. No sign of hydro.

Sorry, i was on 75 menopur alternating with 150. Around 112 a day so now 38 a day more so had about 266 more by day7 over 2 days extra.
Just wonder how theyll grow in next few days, think op would be mon/tues

How did your DSis get on?

Sounds like a very promising start with 15 follicles.

Although I know you probably won't be too reassured yet as you always seem to start with lots of follicles but it doesn't seem to mean lots of eggs for you.
At least they seem to be growing evenly at 9-14mm.
Is that normal for you at this stage for you or are they usually more staggered with some quite big and some little.
Just curious if eliminating the LH is helping them grow more evenly which is what I am hoping will be the case for me with my next IVF as mine never seem to grow evenly - so I'm wanting reassurance that it is doing the same for you!

Dsis had baby by CS wednesday.

Not sure if follicles are growing more together or not. They all seemed large with no little tiny ones.

Will have to see later today.
Cant think they will be ready for monday as 14mm will have to grow a lot to be over 20mm.
Which would be minimum to get the 9mm bigger.
Though i think 9mm one probably wont grow think last time those ones didnt respond.
Cant believe if jan 1 worked i would have been having baby in 3/4 weeks.

Now very annoyed. More follicles have grown she said over 20 though i dont agree as the others are tiny.
It would be good but i still have about 4 large ones and then another 3 at 14 but that is too small. So a few 18-15 then the 14s and below.
so very similar to jan and i suspect they will try to cut me off now and maybe coast but then they wont grow
So either

1. no more inj and trigger sat which i dont like sound of as they will only be 3 eggs and i might as well have had the op in aug when i had 3.
2. inj today and they may grow 18->20 and 14->16 which i think is the min as 15s have prob not matured for me before. ( 3-7 eggs)
3. inj today and tomorrow and i might have 18-> 22 and 14->18 and still trigger sat (7 eggs maybe)

Its so annoying to have 20 growing but a lot small. I will be steaming if i only get 3. As i think they should say that the wont let me get 7 ripe ones because that would involve getting so many more small ones.

On the plus side though cons in april said i could go on longer the next time, because of all the immature ones and the lead follicle had to be 20 so if they call saying option 1 i will refer them to my notes as i think lead was only 18.
Sure cons said to us doesnt think i will hyperstim (but guess dose is higher this time)
Argh!!!
Checked cons letter says not trigger until lead is 20-22.

I think the answer is gonal f only has the same effect on pcos ovaries as menopur. So you still get lead follicles though think i have less gap in sizes than in aug but very similar to jan when they were say 18mm, 17*3 and lots of 15.
Just dont understand how people get 10 eggs.
Think my antral follicle count must be 20 and thats how many grow no matter what i do. I dont think 20 is enough to hyperstim though

Its option 1 :(. Coasting
No inj today carry on spray and a scan tomorrow.
She thinks they will continue to grow and there may be 9.
So the same every time no matter what i do. Ignoring the 3 in aug.
It kind of goes along with what you have found. And that the important thing is to get the follicles to give good mature quality eggs. Which im now worrying about with the coasting. Wondering if im coasting as cant trigger till sat due to w/e
My e2 was 10k
Also confused why didnt do this in jan to make them a bit larger as 15 is quite small and only may be mature

I personally liked the sound of option two.
I've never done the coasting before so I don't know about it affecting egg quality.
But you sound like you think this to be the case?
Once the follicles are that size, I would think/am hoping for you that they will continue to grow on their own as they would do in a natural cycle anyway and those 3 at 14 continue to grow.
Also hoping for you that without the Menopur, the smaller eggs will be mature this time.
It's Saturday morning here so you will be having your scan today - but I think you are 11 hours behind us???? so I will check for update tonight.

It's bizzare, we are polar opposites.
I don't start with many follicles and at each scan, the smaller ones keep dying away leaving me with less and less and I only get a few eggs.
You start with heaps of follicles and at each scan, the smaller ones have started growing and you get more and more, yet still only few eggs.

Have you done the obligatory thing of visiting your sister?
Did it go okay?
I left the hospital from seeing my sister and felt so depressed for two days.
Just can't feel genuinely happy for her with this going on with me.

As shes abroad ive not had to visit. I have seen pic and will skype.
Agree its hard to be enthusiastic.
Would have been much easier if pg by now.
I know its so odd we're at opposite extremes but thw same issue in the end few mature eggs.

The only thing i can think caused me so few follicles last time was i really resticted my diet to about 1500 cal so i was less polycistic and reacted to the dose more like someone without pcos.
I have eaten more sugar again before this cycle so that will affect quality.
Think ive had 200 less meds than aug despite higher dose.
Though i never had to coast before so maybe its true the affect of gonal f is to start more small follicles. But it is very similar to jan and the dose is higher.
Wonder how menopur has such an effect when half is lh not fsh so ive had twice the fsh this time.
Think ill have only paid £200 for gonal f as they sent wrong meds 900 ui and ive only had another 600 (well 450 as 150 is prob wasted)

I think I remember you saying she's abroad now you mention it.
Must make things a bit easier.
I have visited once and when Mum went to visit, I gave a pot of soup to Mum to take to her so I could feel like I had fulfilled my obligation of doing nice things without actually having to visit.
But it's constantly on my mind of when I will have to see her again and can I avoid it until my IVF is over so I don't get that depressed state again which can't be good for my next IVF.
Hope you're not too stressed about your sugar intake.
I remember starting an IVF thread Sep 13.

I had done previous cycles and in the lead up to this one I had done everything perfect - low carb, high protein, supplements, the lot.
The other three girls that joined in were all first time IVFers and knew nothing about all these things.
So I truly thought I was in with the best chance and wouldn't have BFP's shoved in my face left right and centre by the end of the cycle.
Turns out all three girls got a BFP but me.
So you never can tell.
Will wait to hear about your scan update.

Think

1. 20mm

3-4 17-19. Trigger tonight op monday. E2 rose to 11700 so thats why thry are triggering before it gets over 12k Apparently for me

3 follicles e2 4000
9 eggs 4 mature was e2 6000 again there were lots of small ones

So a potential for 6 eggs then. Perhaps there were a few that were not far behind at 14-16 which could contain a mature egg too. I think Gonal produces different results to Menopur and just because these sizes weren't mature last time, doesn't mean they won't be this time.

Is that bottom part of your last post the stats from your previous cycle?

Yes there was a 15.3mm which i guess could do.

The stats are for
Aug 3
Jan

With 11k e2 i should have maybe 10 mature but because of all the small ones think i have several 1000 small ones especially as lots are over 10mm.

Well it's Monday afternoon here now so I think you will be about to wake up soon and go for your EC. As much guessing as we do about egg count, each women and even the same woman in a second IVF cycle seems to produce varying results. I hear stories of 11mm follicles containing a mature egg and then sometimes lots of big ones but surprisingly few eggs. So you will soon finally know for sure and stop torturing yourself with follicle sizes.

Then it gets replaced with the torture of how many fertilise, then the torture of each days update, and then the torturous two week wait. Hmm, why am I about to embark on this hell again... ?!?!

So will it be a day 3 transfer again or does that depend on how many embryos you have?

13 eggs
(Compared to 10 sep 2012, 9 jan 2014)
But i was expecting a lit collected after 20 + follicles.
They wont call till wed, day 2. So i wont find out how many mature ones.

Anything over the 6 would be good but as you say its not really until they fertilise that you know anything.

Could be wed-sun 2-6 transfer to weed out the best. I would be astoundef if we made it past 3. Due to only ever 2 embies plus coasting and so nany follicles probably adversely affecting quality

13 is fantastic!!!!
I could only ever dream of getting 13 eggs
I think it's not unreasonable to expect AT LEAST 6 mature since you had 6 at 17mm or above on Saturday.
Kinda cruel they don't call until day 2! Wonder why?
All other women I chat to on here seem to get an update the next day.
You only coasted for one day so hopefully that won't affect things too much.

Hearing that it is all happening for you now and you are just days away from transfer while I am sitting here twiddling my thumbs makes me wish I was doing this along side you instead of waiting and aging.
Today is around day 22 of my cycle and we did try naturally so I can only hope for a miracle while I wait to do IVF again.

Can't wait to hear an update on Wed.

It does sound a lot but 50% immature possibly and then up to 50% fert so only 3 at most so not many.
If someone could get 6 but all mature and 5/6 fert then they have more and can make it to blast.
Not even sure itll make it to transfer
Such an anxious wait. Im sure last times we expected a call day 1. I guess as no possible decision to make as they cant put back no use stressing people with say one 1 mature and we arent sure if itll fertilise or keep growing and also possibly lots fertilised ones stop growing so false sense of security if they tell you 8 fert and by next day theyve all arrested. Though on that vein not sure why they bother saying how many eggs as that too can be very misleading. Think id rather hear in 1 sentence x eggs collected and all immature than imagining all growing. I could be imagining 13 blasts now haha if i didnt know much better

Think if all immature i needed a different trigger or more of it.

Between 70% mature and 44.4% previously so 9-6 mature
But i used your calc for e2 and mine was really high for only 6mature. Think i just get dehydrated and think blood- too scared to drink to much this time as worried about that hydro.

So you start estrogen day 20 next month?

Think its good still having hope while dealing with all the newborn 'crap'