Ivf anyone starting stimms next week?

[naty1]

Im starting stimns next week for icsi(dependent on blood test)?
Anyone at the same time want to join.

Its great news it made it.
I know its only statistics but in theory it has a much better chance due to age.
Probably around 50%?
Just think mine just cost i expect 2k or more without any chance of success. With the transfer there is the possibility.
I think its good to get to blast.
Would you have put back 2 if there had been (i would suspect they are less strict with the one at a time than uk.)
In s. America my Dsis friend had , well at least 3 put back as they are pg with triplets!
(i think we should be allowed 2 back over 35 and paying ourself and with a diagnosed issue so very slim chance of getting pg without treatment. Also my DH as they never knew what was wrong we were worried with ivf #1 he would get worse suddenly and have none. My clinic said its now 1 up to 37 i think. But it may depend on quality and no of embryos we get. I do think that should be another criteria , how many embryos/blasts couples get if they are left with 2 so have to freeze 1 seems silly but also if it fails the other 1 may not defrost so another treatment. Im glad they let me put in 2 embryos last time as it would have dragged it out doing a fet which wouldnt have worked.)
Not long to wait with a blast - about 11 days so that should fly by :)
Good luck

2k!!! It's shocking how much IVF costs in this country :(

I agree, if your paying private you should get to choose. It's not as if having twins would be a terrible thing, I would have had 2 transferred if I'd had them. It's wrong that they get to play god.

I know I won't wait 11 days I'm too impatient, will start with the obsessive testing on Wednesday I can't help myself :D tbh I'm not expecting it to implant this time either, just not feeling it for some reason

I'm certainly feeling it Suzy! I can just feel it in my bones. This is it.
I can understand your skepticism after making it just as far last time and BFN. But I read some horror statistic like 9 out of 10 forty year old embryos having a genetic issue. This embryo is from a 30 year old.

Did you get told how thick your lining was? My periods are usually so light the last couple of years and I am sure that is not helping our issues. My last period was actually a bit heavier after having the scratch. The Dr said it last 3 months so that's why I am going ahead with IVF again next cycle.
My period should arrive any day now before I start IVF, and I am really hoping to see it is still heavier to know that the scratch effect has lasted. If it's back to light, I will feel like implantation won't work next cycle even before I begin. But from memory Suzy, I think you still had heavier periods?

Nat, I totally agree that you should get to choose how many embryos. Especially since most women having babies with IVF might be mid to late 30's and might want to have a '2 for the price of 1 deal'. Some women who are desperate for two must be having one baby and not be able to enjoy, but have to quit b/feeding to get your cycle back and quickly try for number two.

My clinic allows two, but I have to sign a waiver saying it is against their advice. I have signed that I want two embryos even though I already have one child. I only ever wanted two children, but now somehow with the struggles of infertility and knowing it can never happen again, I want two! But with my history, I am lucky to have one embryo to transfer let alone two.

Shellster, if your period is due any day now what kind of dates are you looking at for stimming etc? I love that I get to hear about both of your journeys and I long for you both to get your bfps this year, Nothing would make me happier if we could all be successful and then start a pregnancy thread :D

I have no idea what my womb lining was, they aren't like that in Poland. They tell you very little but just get on with it. Not very touchy feely people, nice enough but a little repressed emotionally. I had a little cry as the emotions all come to a head at transfer, they thought I was odd and gave me some kitchen roll. They didn't have tissues! It made me think that no one cries in Poland so tissues aren't needed :)

Is the 1 egg regulation law or recommendation? I seems ridiculous that they would rather risk no pregnancy than you have twins!

Wow Suzy, they do sound very emotionally repressed! So no lining info for this cycle in particular but are your periods normally heavy. I guess it is of interest to me because my periods are light and barely last two days. Then I read that a lining less than 9mm correlates with lower IVF success, so it got me worried my lining isn't thick enough if I am only bleeding 1 to 2 tbsps of blood. But I guess the average person doesn't have that issue so I will shut up and stop stressing you out for nothing when you have enough stress now!

Basically Suzy, EC will be 14 days after my period arrives. 2 weeks is really nothing in the grand scheme of things, but it feels like forever away. My first scan will be day 6 so at least that will give me some idea if things are going any better this time.

I am assuming the thickness was enough, I do trust they know what they are doing and they care about the success rates. If it fails however I will be annoyed at myself for not double checking :) can't win really. In one way your lucky to have such light periods but it's not so great for conceiving :( Are there ways to help with the thickness?

EC will be here before you know it, that's really quick! I was on the long protocol and it took ages to get to EC so that's really good :)

I think you may have said it is low oestrogen for the lining.
It says causes light period.
Are you quite thin? Bmi?
My consultant said something about oestrogen when i said ive lost 1/2 stone in last couple of months. (Though bmi is still 21 so not exactly supermodel thin :) .
Or maybe hyperthyroidism?
Though i guess its linked to the fewer follicles as mine is probably generally high, but also lining thickens slowly for me as im on a low dose for over 14 days.
Suzies right it would be amazing to start a pg thread.

Sorry to stress you out Suzy.
Shouldn't have asked about your lining thickness!
How heavy are your periods????
Mine is only 2 tbsps of blood so I am sure if yours are heavier than that, then your lining is thicker than mine and no need to worry.
I don't feel so lucky that my periods are light... I would trade a lifetime of heavy periods happily to be out of this infertility misery.
How have you coped with the first few days post transfer?
Are you keeping calm, or are you paying attention to every twich and twinge as a sign of implantation?!?!

Nat, My BMI is 24 so within the healthy weight range - just!
Working hard at the moment to lose a few extra kilos.
My FSH levels were fine so no thyroid issues at last check.
My periods have just been light since they started so it's just my body.
I too thought my light periods must be due to low estrogen.
But when doing IVF and growing more follicles and hence more estrogen, I
expected my period to be heavier but it was still light.
My IVF Dr reassures me that amount of period blood has nothing to do with uterine lining... but how can that be? Especially since I read that women who bleed for 5 days are much more likely to conceive.

Don't worry Shellster I am an oasis of calm :D Once this is all over I need to go to my Dr as my periods are ridiculous, one day a month I can't leave the house as they are so heavy!
I think the first few days are just boring tbh a few twinges here and there and lower back pain but I know they mean nothing. I came over all hot and felt sick last night but that's the progesterone trying to mess with my head! A few days before I can start testing like a maniac 3 times a day :D I'm resting a lot more this time, can't afford to do it again.

I think you would need a specific tsh - thyroid stimulating hormone test to see if you have hypo/hyperthyroidism as its not related to fsh.

I got upset yesterday, the clinic refunded us but only 2.2k out of 4.3 so i was like why have i cancelled to get no chance for 50% of the cost!! (4.3+500 drugs) so spent 500+ 2000.

It didnt seem the amount i had read on price list.
They never called back so finally got finance dept said 'think refund is 1k out'
She agreed id been refunded for ivf when paid for icsi!!!
Apparently it was nurses - but surely finance ciuld see what i had paid.
I had worried it was as id had 4 scans and appts and a scan and appt with consultant (that would have been expensive)

I wonder how often this happens and if the patients notice... The refund had no itemisation on it.
She then started trying to ofset the other 125 bill for meds against this, saying i dont need to pay for the bill for that which i got

An oasis of calm. I like that Suzy. Will have to include that in my list of mantras that I repeat to myself this cycle to try my new theory of being positive this cycle.

Nat. Oops. I wrote that my FSH levels were fine. I meant my TSH! I think I might get my day 2 blood taken tomorrow (yes, my period arrived today) just to see where my FSH actually is at after all this IVF treatment, so no harm to ask the Dr to as TSH as well to see.

What a cock up with the bill. You would think they should have a proper accounting system where they see what you have paid for and they shouldn't have to rely on the nurses telling them what treatment you had. Glad you were on top of it. Like we need any extra stress.

Okay, so today is day 1. Pick up drugs and start injecting tomorrow. Thinking that my negative mindset might cause me extra stress during IVF. Really trying to have a positive attitude this time that this is going to be my baby making cycle... So today is day one of my pregnancy. I am starting to grow an egg now that will become my baby.

Naty, I bet a lots of patients won't notice if it's a little out but 1K!!! How soon do you start again?

Shellster, I can't believe it's injections tomorrow, time is flying :)

Well I'm 3dp5dt and it's really boring, no symptoms at all. Not a pessimistic person but I'm really not feeling it this round. I did a test which I knew would be negative regardless but I couldn't help myself, I think I love peeing on sticks :D I wasn't upset as I knew it would be negative 3 days in

That's funny - testing 3 days in! But watch me and I will probably be doing the same in a few weeks time! I hope your gut instinct is wrong!

I think we try not to focus on the cost (4.8k for feb and now 1.5k) plus another 4.8 so will be over 10k for 2 goes and a cancellation. And im only on very low meds so had 'saved' 2k on that.

Yes think 8 days is very early.
And a lot depends on how much youve drunk the night before.
First response seemed better than clear blue and definitely not digital.

I did it again!!!!

BFN but I couldn't stop myself :D It was a clearblue and it went out of date in 2013 so I was throwing it away anyway.

I have promised myself I won't do it tomorrow but I know I will hehe Hubby would go mad if he knew as we have agreed on Sunday which is 13 days past egg collection.

Our little secret then suzy! How are you feeling about it all with this being decided as your last attempt (I think?)

Wow, over 10k Nat. I would hate to know how much I've spent on my 7 IVF attempts. Perhaps if it works, I will be happy to work it out as it will be well worthwhile, but at the moment knowing I have wasted so much and have nothing to show for it, I'm not even going to begin calculating. I remember suzy saying this IVF wiped them out financially. It always irritates me that our desire to be a parent has to be limited by the size of our bank account when there are people I know who can have babies for free yet are bums and don't work and I have to fund that child for life from my tax. Grr.

So I've got my first scan booked for Monday - day 6.
For my Sep 13 IVF cycle, I started with 8 follicles on day 2 and got 5 eggs.
Last cycle I started with 19 follicles on day 2, so I really expected more eggs - but still 5. I can't help but hope for a better response this time but another part of me is knowing it won't happen. So I just want Mondays scan over with so I can deal with the disappointment of only a few eggs again.

I see some right sights that are pregnant and I just know there is no God.

Well 5dp5dt and I have refrained from testing today. No symptoms as such, feel a bit queasy now but that's probably all the bread and cheese I just ate! I hope to god I'm pregnant as the comfort eating I'm doing is crazy :D

Will do my last secret test tomorrow as hubby around at weekend and I'm not that good at sneaking around. I'm feeling surprising calm and will accept a failure better this time. Not sure if its a waste of money to try again or not. My in laws would fund us but I don't want to waste their money, even though I think they might be rich. They drive a range rover and are in Barbados as I speak!

Roll on Monday, lots of follies for you and a BFP for me.

Completely agree. I almost ferl the more you want the baby the harder it is to get it.
Was it expensive for the donor side?
Its the not knowing if it will work which is the issue.
Statisically i have put back 4 embies (20% each) giving me 80% chance of 1 baby which i have. So would have to put a lot back to get another one.
However my DSis has put back 4 @15% per embyro so 60% of 1 baby but has got 2.
I think this is because of the unknown issues - implantation etc.
When it doesnt work it feels like a 'waste'
It would be nice to cheaply get to 100% chance of a baby.
In nhs if you got 3 rounds you could have a total of 120% chance 40*3 if under 35. But with all this eSET that much be reducing the chances and it must make quite a difference whether there are any frosties.
I was thinking if its 20% chance/month naturally it would be 240% in this yr ive spent doing ivf.

Fingers crossed suzy.

Oh that sounds like a perfect Monday to me Suzy.
You would have to think that your in laws understand there is no guarantee.
If you are willing to try again, perhaps seek some advice on your crazily heavy periods first? Mine are always light and I read that a lining between 9 or 10 to 14mm correlates with optimal chance of implantation no matter what the age group. Mine is always a push to get it to the 9 minimum, but perhaps yours is over the 14 max?

Probably shouldn't be stressing you out with thoughts of another IVF when it must be a hard enough job staying sane during the 2ww. I always try to have a plan B up my sleeve when going through IVF so I don't fall to pieces when it fails and I really think I am almost as nervous as you are in desperately wanting this to work for you so I am trying to protect you like I protect myself and come up with a plan B now for you too!

I love reading all those stats too Nat. Makes you feel like you just have to do x amount of IVF's and it WILL happen rather than all the unknown. My trouble seems to be being able to get to transfer stage to even be in with a chance. This is my 8th attempt at IVF and so far I've only had 3 embryos transferred; of which only one was good quality. 8 IVF's and one good quality embryo. Far out. Okay, this round is it! Roll on Mondays scan when I will get a glimpse at my future baby's follicle growing inside me.

Looking at it like that Naty it makes me think you have a really good chance on your next round :)

I'm not sure if I want to try again Shellster, or go for adoption. I feel like adoption is the way forward but I know if this fails it can change how you feel.

It's day 6 past transfer and I felt sick this morning so I held my bladder till hubby went to work and then tested. I had dreamt a positive last night so was surprised to see nothing! I should have a squinter by now really, I know people say its too early but most people have a faint line by now. I don't feel sad about it, it's just luck of the draw sometimes.

Will try again on Sunday and buy a first response like you said Naty :)

I had to really squint on 15 and 16 with first response even. But i think that is the unusual end.
The range of positives seems to be wide. I guess thats why theres an OTD :) with DD i didnt test before 15 so i dont know if i would have seen anything, though i really think not with how faint it was.

Its a pity you cant progress with both ivf and adoption at once.

Was that day 15 after EC or ET?

I'm 6 past ET and 11 past EC. feel really nauseous and hot today. I wish I knew it was BFN for sure then I could stop the horrible progesterone.

I'm going for lunch with hubby in an hour and I'm dreading it, can't bear the thought of eating but I don't want to get him excited as I really think it's the progesterone. Will have to grin and bear it :D

Ec so really quite a long wait but a similar time to missed period, which is where the tests say they are effective from. Actually the accuracy early on for like digital is like 50%.
Have to say with this cancelled cycle have now got period but have been feeling very hot etc probably thyroid again.

I have my tube scan on thurs hopefully hydr will have gone down

I really hope so, you could really do without any treatment needed to fix it. I'm hoping you start your next cycle soon. Don't you just wish you could fast forward time be pregnant and get your life back!?

My period is due around mid week and when it comes I have having the biggest glass of wine (which means most of the bottle)

I cant remember did you have any bleeding before testing?

I think i spotted from day 12.