Assisted conception after recurrent miscarriage part 5

[Mel3062]

Hope this is right ladies ...

OMG indeed Ari! Have you told Penny - what did she say? All looking very positive today, in more ways than one!

Jesus- did you have 3 put back Ari?

Yes belly - she was delighted! :) And duggs yes - Penny often puts 3 back, I had 3 put back last time. Apparently when you're older like I am very often only 1 takes anyway - if I'd had put less back we'd have been running the risk nothing implanted. However, it looks rather like my lining was perhaps better than I'd given it credit for .. ! [shovk]

That was supposed to say of course, wish we could edit our posts!

How are you feeling Ari, getting over the shock?!
How has your oh reacted?

I'm a bit more sanguine about it all today pebbles .. will hold off on the truly panicking front until after my repeat bloods tomorrow. Hoping at the moment they double properly so I don't have to start mentalling over something else! There's always something in this game, isn't there?! OH hasn't really reacted either way but I didn't expect him to - he's not a reacting sort of person. I don't think he believes it's real anyway, or going to work, and I can't blame him.

How are you doing pebbles? And everyone else? Now my head has stopped spinning I can think about other people too! :)

How are you today Ari? Have you had more bloods done?

I went for my day 11 womb lining scan today and my lining was a measly 5.5mm despite taking 6mg of progynova. So now the clinic in Spain want to up it to 8mg orally and 8mg down below too (using the same pills as I'm using orally!). Need to do some research but am worried my lining won't thicken up enough for our cycle. We won't create our embryos with the DE's until next Friday at the earliest and then we won't have ET until five days after that - do you think I've got time to get my womb lining thick enough?

Sorry Ari crossed posts. Glad you are feeling calmer today and that OH seems to be taking things in his stride so far!

belly My last cycle my lining was exactly the same as yours on day 11, 5.5mm. My progynova was upped not quite as much as yours but I also had to use the little pills in the 'visitor's entrance', darn fiddly with the pesky little things but manageable. It did the trick, by ET my lining had thickened up enough that Penny was happy with it (I forget the measurement). So hopefully you will be just fine! Have they asked you to get it rechecked at all?

Yes, having another scan when we get to Spain next Friday. Thanks for reassuring me x

Just out of interest what else meds have they got you on belly?

Hi Ari just a quickie to say fantastic news. I have been lurking silently. Keeping my fc for you. Well done.

Hi Ari I'm just on aspirin, all the usual vits, 10mg pred up to 20mg on ET and have had IVIG. Prontogest injections to follow too - ouch!

ari congrats to you

Thanks abney and buzzy!

belly Have hi already bought your syringes & needles for the prontogest injections? If not I have new boxes you're very welcome to - I bought them all (different sized draw-up and injecting needles) because Penny said we'd be on these this cycle, but as it's turned out I don't need them after all. Let me know if you want them, I'd be happy to send them over to you.

Well girls, I had my second bloods done and .. more than doubled!! Gone from 1591 @ 12dp5dt to 4441 today, 14dp5dt. Good grief.

Yey go baby/babies ;)

Well done Ari. Brilliant news.

Jeepers Ari! Great news! Thanks for the offer of the prontogest, but I already have some - but I might like it if we get lucky this cycle and have to keep going with it. Worried I should be taking neupogen now, that helps to thicken your womb lining doesn't it?

I meant the (empty) syringes and needles belly - or did you get the prontogest in pre-filled syringes? The gestone I have is in vials so you have to have syringes and needles separately :). However you are of course very welcome to that too if you need it later on in the cycle, just pm me. Neupogen for lining ... hmm I'm not sure, I thought that was only neupogen washes that did that, I've never had one of those. I don't believe neupogen injections do anything for your lining, so rest easy :). Will you have to have any more IVIG done, do you know? Or are they monitoring your NK cells as you go along and deciding then? I can't believe how expensive that stuff is, I was reading a really interesting article by Dr Sher yesterday discussing the merits of ILs vs IVIG. Yes I know, I'm a bit obsessive. :)

How are the rest of you ladies doing? pebbles, you still have a week-ish till AF then sending off of infection testing, is that right?

So now I'm wondering whether or not to try to talk my EPU into an early scan, given that I undoubtedly fall into the 'Oh My God' high risk category (my age plus the, let's face it shall we, 'strong possibility' there's more than one in there). Part of me just wants to forget about it all for, well, months really, but part of me really wants to know and make sure all progresses as it should. By 'early' I don't mean really early, but maybe 7.5 weeks or so? But then a part of me thinks if I'd had a scan at that time on my third pregnancy where my baby died at 1 day off 9 weeks all would no doubt have looked ok then too. I just don't know. Burying my head in the sand seems a really attractive option right now.

Ari at 7 weeks a healthy fetus should have a fetal heart beat of between 120 and 160bpm and (I now know my trisomy girl who got to 12+2wks had a FHB of 102bpm but no one said anything. ALL my other scans at 7 weeks showed no FHB or no fetus at all so pretty clear. This pregnancy has been different from the off ( long
way to go as 10 wks tomorrow ) but dr S said " that baby is staying put!" so I'm trying to embrace it all. But yes if I were you I would look to see if a 6 wk scan showed 2 or 3 sacs and then 7 wk how many healthy, strong fetal heart beats. Then you can start to make decisions as 2 be ok but 3 as you say is risky and then questions get asked about risk to you etc. it might not come to that but it is def more than one at those levels Ari isn't it!!! Such hope for everyone!! Peny is amazing!

Duggs can't believe you are nearly 10 weeks already. Wow. I don't suppose Dr S makes comments like that unnecessarily - how encouraging. This is fast turning in to a good news thread! Ari sorry got the wrong end of the stick about the prontogest - I have plenty of needles left from my IVF cycles, thanks, so should be ok. Will only have more IVIG if we get a bfp or need to cycle again (obv hoping that it is the former of the two).

Hi Pebbles, Brown, Mel and Sue and any other lurkers!

Always pred Insomnia ari ;)I understand you wanting to bury your head but I agree with duggs to find out exactly what's what!
Duggs nearly 10 weeks?? Where's that gone?? Wow!!
Great what mr s said that's really positive!!
2 week wait for me
Happy mummy's day to be everyone x

Ari and duggs, I'm so excited for you. Mel and Belly, good luck.
12dpo for me and a continual row of BFNs for the last few days.
Looked into donor eggs from Iceland yesterday. I figured as I'm half Icelandic, and the Icelandic population is so small and interbred, that I would be more likely to be genetically related to my donor that way. I thought I might even ask for red hair in a donor. Is that allowed if you don't have it yourself? My sister said 'Don't do that - everyone would say it was A's baby!' (A being her OH who is slightly red-haired and they have a flaming-haired daughter)
Naturally I haven't discussed any of this with my DH ...
But isn't is great that the donor egg option is always there, even if we go through the menopause? And isn't it funny how your goal posts change ....

You can ask for any characteristics you want brown, I was never asked to justify what I asked for in a donor. Just be aware that you will be fairly drastically reducing the number of donors available if you ask for red hair as I believe there are less of them - although I don't know anything about the Icelandic population of course, are there lots of red-haired Icelanders? I think I've read somewhere that Serum don't use red-haired donors as there are potential genetic issues that go with red hair that they don't want the risk of; I can't remember where I read that but I could find it again if you were interested? Also remember that even if you have a red-haired donor, your child may not end up with red hair anyway. I'm blonde-haired (straight too) but my DD has brown curly hair - and incidentally looks nothing like me.

You are absolutely right about changing goal posts; I always said I didn't want to use donor sperm as I wanted our child to be genetically relate to my OH at least, but when I realised that there is just no way my body will tolerate my OH's DNA that changed everything. I still don't know how OH actually feels about it, but I'm hoping when (being super positive here) he feels baby kicking and being involved all the way through, it will feel like his baby too anyway. I hope.

duggs Amazing you're at 10 weeks too - and I agree with what belly said, I don't think Mr S would stick his neck out to that extent if he wasn't complete convinced this is the one. So very pleased that all your determination is finally paying off - and very hopeful that the same thing will happen for everyone else on here.

/waves to everyone

Thanks, Ari, I would be interested to know about that. Yes, there are loads of red-haired Icelanders and probably lots of recessive genes knocking about too. My sister has very dark hair and we have no blood relations with red hair yet she has a red-haired daughter with her partner who has blond hair but reddish facial and body hair. The conventional wisdom is that you need a recessive gene from both sides and my sister does have very pale skin, as does my dark-haired freckly Icelandic mother, so maybe there is a recessive gene in there somewhere. My sister's other daughter is dark-haired.
My DH is dark-haired and olive skinned but his grandad is a bit red-haired, so who know?
On the other hand, much as I've always admired red hair, from a health point of view, that would be choosing to put your child at increased risk of skin cancer. And if you're like my sister who slathers her child in factor 50 at all times, rickets too!