Assisted conception after recurrent miscarriage part 5

[Mel3062]

Hope this is right ladies ...

[Pebbles73]

Ari that is amazing, twins!!! I think it's defo a coping mechanism after everything you have been through. Such amazing news though!!

belly so pleased to hear all going well and hope you get to enjoy a nice break too. I would probably satay another day but that's just me.

Just sent sample, was imagining the look of horror on someone's face if they saw what was in there!!
Did you all have both infections test done? That's what I have gone for.

[Arianrhod]

Ladies have created part 6 as we're almost out of thread :

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/infertility/2049436-Assisted-conception-after-recurrent-miscarriage-part-6

[Mel3062]

Belly which clinic in Spain are you with? Why did you choose them instead of serum? Just weighing up my options x

[BellyD]

Hi all, just checking in to see how Ari got on. Brilliant news! Am sure you are just feeling cautious Ari - as would anyone who has been through what we all have.

Sorry for the bfns Mel and Sue (hope you had a lovely birthday).

Good news about your sample, Pebbles i had so much trouble collecting mine, I am glad it was more straightforward for you. You'll be at Serum before you know it.

All good in sunny Spain. The weather has been amazing so in between trips to the clinic (we have been twice) we are soaking up the rays and relaxing. My womb lining was 7.4mm at Friday's scan which they were happy with and we went for DH to do his bit yesterday and today we have 10 fertilized embies from 12 eggs. Weird and humbling to think that someone would got through an IVF stimm for a total stranger, but wonderful and we are so grateful. We have decided to have eeva done to give us an idea which of the embies will be most viable and they will prob go back in on day 4, Sat, all being well. We were due to fly home Sat am but may have to stay an extra day. Ari I can't remember, did you fly home the same day? I am more inclined to stay an extra night but we will just wait and see. Will keep you posted.

Duggs when is your next scan?

[Mel3062]

After our experiences ari I just think that's your coping mechanism x serums looking the way forward :)

[Arianrhod]

OH was there, surprisingly, and he hasn't really commented what he thought. I did sort of ask, he didn't really answer much. That man plays his cards so close to his chest you'd think they were a part of him!!

And thank you :)

[Mel3062]

Aw wow!

[duggs1976]

Amazing Ari... 2 heartbeats at this stage is v v encouraging indeed so pleased for you. Was DH there? What does he think about twins?

[Arianrhod]

Thanks so much ladies. Well, scan done, and two wee heartbeats seen, both sizes measuring right for 6 weeks. No sign of where the bleeding is coming from, they said all looks clean in there. Staff nurse said they see this kind of bleeding a lot with twins.

Not counting any chickens, we all know how much can change in a few short weeks, but they've asked me to go back for another scan in 3 weeks time so we'll see what's what then.

Not sure why but I'm not feeling anything about this ... you'd think I'd be whooping it up, wouldn't you? Odd, but I don't - protection measure, perhaps, since we've got this far before and had it all go wrong.

We're going to need a new thread soon!

[lemonsherbet]

Ari thinking of you

[duggs1976]

Ari thinking of you today...

[Mel3062]

Ari just wishing you all the luck in the world today wel all be thinking of you and hand holding x looking forward to your positive update x

[Arianrhod]

Just don't take agnus castus at the same time as letrozole, AC tends to try to cancel out what letrozole does. (Did that too, oops!)

[Arianrhod]

I did carry on taking resveratrol even when doing SO, yes village - and although I miscarried both, I did get pregnant twice.

[Mel3062]

Interesting about restravatol as think I was on that same time as so can't recall!

[Mel3062]

Thanks village, I need to ask dr g about these drugs in my fridge as I was under mr s when I had so, not sure if dr g approves of it.
Good luck village, I did about 8 so, and don't think it helps me though it takes about 7 goes Louise said.
I just can't bear it at times, it took us 18 months before but hopefully my new plan for hubby and I will work!

[VillageMum]

mel don't give up - I'm on my fifth SO cycle and every time I get a BFN I think 'why oh why oh WHY on EARTH is it negative, when I used to get pregnant unassisted at the drop of a hat?' The human body is just utterly mysterious. It'll happen - just stick with it!

Sue meant to answer your question about the cardiac and eye checks earlier but forgot - lots of us on the pred thread have been asked to have these now (it's new but standard monitoring for anyone who has been on hydroxy for three months or more). I simply had the retinal check done at Boots opticians, and have got my GP to refer to me to the cardiac unit at my local hospital as I can't afford to go private for a cardiac assessment.

Ari don't bother answering this if it's not a good moment - I know you have other worries! - but did you take resveratrol even while doing SO on letrozole? Are the two ok to take together, even tough they're both aromatase inhibitors?

It's interesting how the men react to the idea of a donor egg. You would've thought that we women would be the more resistant ones, since it's our genes which are being excluded from the equation, while theirs still get a look in - but no... We also considered egg donation, before coming across Mr S and being told that ours wasn't necessarily an egg but an NK cell problem. DH was reluctant, but I instinctively felt that any being I'd sheltered and grown for nine months would be mine, end of story. Reading about epigenetics and how genes are expressed did a lot to win DH round. Though we're not pursuing this option right now I think it's a truly exciting and wonderful one.

[Mel3062]

Trying naturally village but stil have ovitrelle and gonal f in my fridge! It runs out in august!
Ari think we crossed! Thanks for wishes, wish I could crawl and hide too at the mo xx

[VillageMum]

Sue thanks for the reply about the hcg trigger - that sort of seems to make sense! Really sorry about the BFN - mel too.

mel, are you doing super ovulation at the moment or trying naturally?

Ari I hope your scan tomorrow brings good news. It's awful having to wait, hoping and not knowing. Everything crossed for you!

Pebbles, Serum seems to get such good results - I'd be optimistic!

[Mel3062]

Good luck with dh sue it's such hard work isn't it.
Pebbles that sounds like mine head to post office!
I'm day 26 today, af due 29 though has been 31 before now. Obviously don't want a big delay this month as I know I'll have to stop cyclogest. When would you recommend I stop to ensure in the remotest chance that i may implant late? Got positive ovulation on day 9 on advanced but that gives 4 days warning.

[Arianrhod]

sue I'm exactly the same about not telling - as far as I'm concerned, any child of my body IS my child, and I'm firmly in the not-telling camp. Don't give a damn about other people's views on the ethics of the situation (because that's all it is, people's opinions, no-one has the right to tell anyone what they should or should not do), I just don't see any point in telling. My mother knows, but that's only because she's funded a good chunk of my two cycles, and she's as level-headed about the whole thing as I am. DD won't know, and I don't believe OH will tell his parents either. Actually I don't know WHAT OH thinks about the whole thing, but at this point I don't much care either. :)

I never had the cardiac or retina test done but I believe others have - possibly over on the pred thread? I'm sure they're fairly straightfoward.

Yes pebbles that's absolutely fine for your collection - and I know what you mean, the things we have to go through! I tell you, if the fellas had to do a quarter of what we have to, there wouldn't be many babies born to the world, and certainly none that you had to put in a bit of effort for! Do let us know when you get your results back.

mel Hope your DH is ok, and your mum too, hope her radiotherapy went ok (or as ok as can be).

To me, in a way, the worst of all this is that we still have to get on with 'normal' life while battling all the things we do with this cr@ppy journey. My OH said to me once after one of my miscarriages, you're just so strong about it all, and I just looked at him and said, well what do you expect me to do, fall apart? I don't have the leisure to do that! I'd just love to crawl under the duvet and sleep till it all goes away, but I have a 7 year old daughter that I do virtually everything for (OH is great, but he doesn't do much in the day-to-day care for her), plus I have to work or else get the sack. So how do I have the leisure to do anything else?

I'm equally sure you're all feeling exactly the same! It would be nice if the world would stop and let us just deal with things, but it doesn't, and we can't, so we just have to get on with it.

belly thinking of you, hope all is going well!

[Mel3062]

My last BFp was September and that was a chemical :(

[suemays]

ari a friend of mine had ivf and she bled bright red blood throughout the whole of her pregnancy. Her ds is now 18 months old. I also had another friend who had 3 sacks (clomid) pregnancy and she bled, lost 2 babies but carried her ds to full term and he is healthy. I would be the same as you being fatalistic/realistic but until you have a scan its impossible to know whether its going to be ok or not. Look at me, got to 5 months and thought it was in the bag. I think that all of us can't relax until we have a healthy newborn in our arms regardless if its naturally or ivf/egg donor conceived.
You are right about DH, like most men he is logical and he knows it would still biologically be his so I will show him some research. I said, if I am happy to give it a go so should he. We wouldn't tell anyone (apart from on here) as wouldn't want dd or the grandparents to act differently. It would be our secret if it worked. Probably wrong ethically but that's the only way I could do it! My parents wouldn't treat a de child the same as dd so I don't think it would be fair.

mel I feel a bit panicked like you as it's been 6 months for me too since the last pregnancy - not normal for me but I guess a sign of my ageing eggs!

Asked for a repeat prescription from dr s for hydroxy but I have been told to have the cardiac and retina test. Are they easy to get done??? Seems worrying to me!

Good luck pebbles

[Pebbles73]

Sorry for the bfn's Sue & Mel.

Village this will be my first trip going to Serum and desperately hoping they can help as this will be last resort...

Ari thinking of you and all crossed for scan tomorrow. It's all such a b**y roller coaster.

Af has arrived so collected this morning ready to send to Serum, the things we have to do!! Tmi alert- it was quite watery with stuff in, is that going to be ok??

[Mel3062]

Ari the best of luck hopefully it's nothing and theirs one AT LEAST in their. I've heard of twins/ triplets where one sadly hadn't made it but the other has. I think you've been so strong, I would of asked for another hcg I think though as we all know, what will be will be. Praying for good news for you.
Sorry Sue, sucks doesn't it. As each month goes I panic I'm nearing the 6 month :(
Hubby has done his back in so needs to see an osteopath and is on diazepam so he's off this week now, this wasn't how I planned it!!