Assisted conception after recurrent miscarriage

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Hey super ovulators and those struggling with infertility after miscarriage this is where we are! Come on over ...

Pebbles absolutely gutted for you. Sending you hugs. xx

pebbles I am so sorry, big hugs x

What awful news, Pebbles. I'm so sorry. xx

pebbles So very sorry, big hugs to you and wish to goodness you didn't have to go through this. I hope your clinic have some ideas what's going on, if I remember you've had IVF before, right? There must be something at work here that hasn't been diagnosed yet? I hope they have some ideas before you look to using your frostie. Take care of you xx

Pebbles I'm so sorry. Take care. Sending big hugs x

I agree Ari; there must be some other unknown factor that can be fixed.
How are you, Ari? Have you spoken to your OH yet? At the risk of sounding flippant, I can really recommend a melt-down. Ever since my last miscarriage my DH has been really anti- any trying at all really, but after an unplanned meltdown this week (after a stressful incident where my friend accidentally locked her 2-yr-old in the car and we had to have the fire brigade out), he has agreed to actively try again (no IVF though) and even get a cat! Only something dramatic could pierce through the armour of his complacency. I'm sure the hole will heal over quickly enough though, but you have to make use of these brief chinks. What a way to live!

pebbles thinking of you

ari I have to admit I think brownstag is right, I had a melt down and it made DH pay attention, it was hard to ignore, I felt after that he was more onborad with the whole TTC thing, he started looking things up etc

when I say melt down, i did chuck stuff about the place

Loving the mental image buzzy . I'm sure brown you and buzzy are absolutely right but unfortunately I find it very difficult to have meltdowns, too many years of being with a controlling angry man (my ex), and now realising that money seems to be more important to my OH than anything. I feel that he is relieved he thinks we're not trying anymore, I do think he felt having another child would cost too much (although I pay for most of the things for my DD). I still haven't managed to make him realise I plan to have another final go, and Penny has asked me to start taking low dose of Pred (and an anti inflammatory Celebrex) now, to calm my immune system down for some time before doing another cycle (post-MC AF still hasn't arrived). He's bound to question why I'm taking Pred again, and I'm rather dreading it tbh. I hate being a wuss but I avoid confrontation these days. Very wrong no doubt but there isn't just me to think of now, there's my DD and she adores OH. It's a problem.

Thinking of you pebbles and /waves to everyone.

I have great right arm ari then perhaps you just need to tell him what you are doing and why, he doesn't need to respond, you just need to inform him. I suppose it comes down to finances though, did you say you were going to use donor sperm??

pebbles thinking of you

Pebbles I hope you are ok.
I need abit of advice ladies, just been to see my nhs rmc lady and she asked if I'd had a amh test. Looked through mr s paperwork from may last year and yes I had and it was 1.22 very low/ undetectable fertility!! I'm really shocked as cant remember him showing me this I was just put on super ovulation for how many months. My consultant said that super ovulation may improve quantity not necessarily quality, she said nothing can really help. Now I'm thinking can a bad egg cause a mc even after you've seen a heartbeat?? She said there is not much evidence on dhea. She has redone my thrombilla test though :(

Mel sorry to hear you have had a shock finding your AMH being so low. Strange that Mr S didn't show you it as it was something he was very quick to show me this time last year. In fact he used this as a prod to get me to do superov. I think your consultant is correct. Superov gives you more "targets" for those swimmers, but doesn't do anything for your egg quality. I have even read studies that say it can damage egg quality. When I had my useless NHS fertility consultation the Dr was very quick to tell me superov was a waste of time and money unless you did it with IUI. I was told my only hope of getting pg with my AMH would be superov & IUI. I didn't agree but I know it does work for some people.

I too have a super low AMH of 0.63pmol/l so slightly lower than yours, but to be honest, whether it's 3 or 0.3, it's low. When I started my consultations at various places for IVF I was recommended DHEA, but I was not comfortable taking it so went for Co-enzyme Q10 600mg a day instead as I had read it is supposed to help with egg quality. Not sure if it really helps, but it didn't have the possible side effects of DHEA. In fact, the Lister were more than happy with me taking it rather than the DHEA.

I don't know about the bad egg causing mc after seeing a heartbeat. After your last mc did you have genetic testing? Did your consultant suggest any plan of action for you?

mel my AMH was 1.1, I didn't have that done at Shehatas as he didn't really go for AMH results he was more your E2, when I went to tell him I was pregnant and used Donor Egg he went mad and said 'why didn't I use my own', I told him AMH level and he said that he had a lady who was 8 weeks pregnant and she had a lower AHM than me,

I don't know what my AMH was 2 years ago, but getting pregnant wasn't a problem, it might have deteriorated in that time its hard o know

Maybe that woman was me, Buzzy! My AMH last time it was tested was 1.14, but soon after getting that result I got pregnant. And yes, Mel, a bad egg can cause a miscarriage after seeing a heart beat as I saw a heart beat at 6 weeks 4 days and then the baby died at 8 weeks and 4 days, because of trisomy. A bad egg will fail at whatever point the faulty gene/s comes into play during development. That could be at 5 weeks or 8.
I have also been taking coenzyme q10 for about a year, but I can only afford 200mg.
Mt Shehata and Louise have repeatedly told me not to worry about AMH, and since I have been pregnant twice since finding it out, I've ceased worrying. Have you had a antral follicle count? I haven't but I'd interested to know if it backs up my low AMH.

Incidentally, I have started wondering whether all my miscarriages have been due to faulty eggs, and that the high NK cells are a red herring. I only ever started ttc at 36, so it's possible. Maybe my DS was my one good egg! My first ever miscarriage failed at 8 weeks 4 days, just like my recent one which was Down's so I have to wonder if that first one was a Down's pregnancy too.

brown this was about early June time, I wasn't sure if he meant the woman got pregnant naturally or by IVF, I thought IVF as that is what I had

Thanks ladies, interesting. Umm follicle count is a new one. I wonder if rmc woukd do that shes very supportive.I may start q10 too as I have that somewhere. It's so hard :(

How much q10 do you have to take?

Meant to be 600mg a day, in the morning. Mine come from Healthspan and are £24 for 200mg, so you can see what I mean about expensive. Though I use the vegicaps; you might be able to get cheaper in gelatine. There are various other antioxidants that you could take to potentially improve egg quality, like selenium, which are cheaper, but coenzyme q10 has actually been proven to improve it. Again, it takes several months for the effect to come through.
Buzzy, not me then, as I'd miscarried by April, and that pregnancy was superovulation. But Louise did tell me then that people were getting dire AMH results all the time and then getting pregnant. Of course what I don't know and what they didn't say is how many go full term!
I'm also very interested in the TCM to improve things ...

A book I'd highly recommend is called "the infertility cure" by Randine Lewis. You can google/YouTube her. It really made a huge difference to me and my approach. I was totally out of whack from the recurrent mc and I really do think for people like us who have conceived before there is an imbalance and nk cells is just one tiny dot that is grabbed hold of but is not whole picture by far for many. Have a little look see what you think? I've lent my copy to a friend but am sure second hand amazon has some cheapies?

It is a TCM approach btw...

For those who haven't seen this yet... Check this out freelance is doing a fantastic job....

www.kickstarter.com/projects/434068999/first-heartbeat-a-film-about-miscarriage

Just a very quickie as I'm supposed to be working ... the Co-Q10 I take is from Simply Supplements, it's £18.59 (free P&P) for 60x300mg vegicaps. And brown like you I've often wondered whether DD wasn't just my last good egg!

I'm still v interested in the TCM approach, but just can't seem to get any time to do anything about it, I don't have any leave left this year :(

/waves to everyone

Oh whoops, they're not vegicaps, sorry - I thought they were, they don't look like gelatine capsules. Sorry!