Assisted conception after recurrent miscarriage

[duggs1976]

Hey super ovulators and those struggling with infertility after miscarriage this is where we are! Come on over ...

Wouldn't surprise me mel - I always bleed a little bit after people have been doing anything cervical (including ET); it would make sense that your procedure may have triggered your AF a bit early?

Hi All,

Hope you are feeling a bit better today, Mel.

Duggs I totally understand your point of view, and like to think that if, by some miracle, I ever get pregnant again, then I would hold out for a later scan, but I am not sure I could. I think your resolve is very impressive.

Pebbles I hope you are resting up and not mentalling too much over every twinge.

Ari good to hear from you, have you talked to your OH about trying again?

Sue have a great trip.

How are things with you Choccy?

A wtf cycle for me. AF turned up 6 days early, and that NEVER happens to me. At first I optimistically thought it was implantation bleeding, but no. Either it must be the DHEA? Or perhaps my system recalibrating to my pre ivf cycle? I had a total meltdown on DH last night, sobbing that it was never going to be our turn. Feel more positive today and have a letrozole cycle this month before our next ivf. Never thought we would still be on this journey for our 4th Wedding anniversary tomorrow.

Waves to Buzzy, Brown and others.

Hey belly .. your early AF, is it much too early for your cycle or you suggest that it might be what your cycles were before IVF, it's possible it could be the DHEA as remember it affects oestrogen & potentially testosterone. You really need to be taking DHEA for a few months before its full effect is known, but it's highly possible it's having an effect now. Hopefully a good one!

No, still not spoken to OH, although I went for my last miscarriage scan yesterday (still too much lining and fluid but that's it, nurse said it would sort itself out whenever my AF shows. Which could be weeks!) and they kindly said they would do an early scan for me next time. So when I got back I told OH that they had said "when we do our 2nd IVF cycle they will do the early scan for us, assuming we get a positive test, which is good because that will save me £80". Is that clear enough that I mean us to do another cycle? He completely ignored the comment, mind you, didn't say a word.

/waves to everyone

Thanks for the tips Ari, have just been more careful and tajen my time and touch roof have been ok since. My instructions say not to put any pressure on it touch the sure afterwards, where I got the big lump it had bled a bit so I dabbed it with tissue and wonder if that caused it.

Roll on next week, starting to mental about things a bit now! Felt a bit hot faint and wobbly today but could have just been low blood sugar....

Belly is totally understandable to have a melt down now and then! I think considering what we go through we all manage very well! It's amazing we are not all down on our knees.
Hope you have a nice anniversary anyway and enjoy a couple if glasses of vino. Mmmmm wine.......

pebbles fingers crossed for you, I had fallen apart 4 days after transfer, in tears saying it hadn't work you are amazing to stay so calm

belly totally understandable, its frustrating when your cycle goes awol especially at crucial times

mel Hope you are ok

ari hopefully you are sewing the seeds with OH, he might be thinking about, you know men take a bit longer to get with the programme

duggs I have t say I admire you, my fingers are crossed for you andyour next scan

Hi all. Everything's good here thanks. Had scans with Mr S and at FMC on Tuesday plus the Harmony blood test at FMC. Now there's a place I never thought is make it to! So strange sitting in a waiting room with pg ladies who didn't look scared shitless about what the scan was going to show.

Scans both showed its ahead of dates - was 10.1 but Mr S had 10.3 and FMC had more like 11!! It wouldn't stay still in the right position so FMC struggled to get a measurement. All looking normal apparently. I'm going back in a couple of weeks for 12wk scan and nuchal test and results of Harmony test so fingers crossed all is ok in that regard. Nothing I can do about a trisomy though so just trying not to worry about it.

Still icky and tired by early evening which is oddly comforting. Can anyone tell me what I should expect to feel if anything at approaching 11 wks in terms of things beginning to stretch/move around?? Must dig out a book I bought four years ago when we started ttc that was shoved to back of cupboard at first mc...!

Ari hugs. Hopefully he'll talk when he's ready.

pebbles take it easy. Fingers crossed!

Waves to all :)

choccy Already said it on the other thread (albeit very brief post) but I'm so, SO pleased for you - so chuffed that your patience has finally paid off. Do you have any idea what made the difference? Did that one injection of humira do the trick - were you retested after, even though you had a bad reaction to it?

IIRC you're not likely to feel anything yet, in terms of baby moving, as this is your first. I think that's generally between 16 to 20 weeks (ish, of course, everyone's different). Stretching you could feel at any time, as your insides adjust to the growing baby.

And .. ha! .. OH is NEVER ready to talk, he's famous for not talking about anything other than football. He has something of a reputation for it here at work - you'd think I would have taken the warning way back when, wouldn't you? I will have to force the issue, unfortunately - he will be nature just say nothing and assume it will go away. Mind you, since first AF since miscarriage isn't showing any sign of arriving, I guess there's no big rush. I can't see any next cycle (if I manage to convince OH) having any chance of starting now till probably November. Seems a long, long way off.

/waves to everyone

Hey Ari. Humira was all the way back last September (how scary is that?!) so it's well out of my system now. So not that. I genuinely wonder if cutting out dairy has been an effective variable. Stopped dairy in January after I was told that norovirus had left me lactose intolerant. I wonder if I already was intolerant, for various wind/bloat-related reasons... Anyhoo. Maybe by not making my body fight to digest dairy or deal with being forced up deal with something it's not equipped to deal with has in some way calmed my systems down enough. Who knows. No way to find out for sure.

Also the one and only test I did at 14dpo (ostensibly to check whether I could have a beer that evening...) came up very strong v quickly. Maybe it's just been a good one from the start? Again who knows. And to an extent who cares - if it works it works!! Am interested in the food intolerance- immune relationship though as I know eg refined wheat is supposed to increase NKCs.

Hmmm... Not sure what to suggest about OH. Play the long game I guess while you've got the time as it were waiting for your cycle to return. X

Oh and shed loads of resveratrol for six months may have helped TNF alpha.

That's very interesting - I'm also v interested in the food intolerance to immune relationship, as I've long suspected I'm mildly intolerant to gluten. Maybe I'll try cutting it right out again when I embark on the next & final cycle (see the optimism there? :) ) just in case. Although then I think, but hang on, I had DD and I didn't cut out anything at all. Who knows?!

As you rightly say - to an extent, who cares - whatever it was, it's clearly worked, and woohoo for you that it has!! :)

Interesting choccy and brown. Great news cchoccy. I caved this morning and went for a sneaky scan! Saw a heartbeat flickering on the screen but they said I was 6+4 wks but i should be 7+ 2??oh well something new to worry about I guess. Does it ever end? I should just be pleased to see hb at this stage whatever i am I guess as cant do anything anyway. I hope you have a nice relaxing long weekend ladies x

Aw duggs and choccy so pleased for you x

Great news Duggs anszingvyou saw heart beat which is a great start! Also great news choccy so pleased for you both.

I have been feeling so anxious today and just couldn't seem to relax, oh well bank holiday weekend and off work until Wednesday. Can I hold out without testing until blood test Tuesday....

Pebbles I'm feeling on the edge of my seat for you!! X

Fantastic Duggs. I wouldn't worry too much about the dates at this point. With my DS the first scan we had showed him off the centile thing, but by the time of the later scans he was on date. They're just so small at that point that they are difficult to measure accurately.
Well done Choccy too!
Belly, how long are your normal cycles? Since using DHEA (or perhaps because of age and increasing FSH!) mine have been shorter, but they were long for most of my life, about 35 days, and are now about 28 days. Which is good because long cycles are so frustrating.

Looks like it is over for me as started bleeding.

It might be implantation bleeding pebbles? Have you tested?

Really hoping not Pebbles xxx

If you are 10 days post egg collection then is most likely implantation bleeding. Really hope so x

Hi Ladies...it's been a very long while and there's so much to catch up on.

Ari and Sue sorry your cycles didn't work out. Sue glad to hear you have a plan of action sorted. Ari best of luck getting your OH to talk to you. I have a similar one, stubborn as an ox and the more I "nag" the more stubborn he gets!

Choccy and Duggs fantastic news on your BFPs - I am so happy to see you both with them and to see your pgs progressing.

Pebbles as Duggs said the bleeding could be implantation, especially if you are 10 days past collection. Have you managed not to do a test? I have my fingers crossed for you.

As for me, I have been in hiding, literally, for the past 6 weeks. I had my first IVF cycle at the Lister at the end of June. Did the long protocol. I was expecting it to be awful, but it wasn't too bad. I was on a very high dose of Gonal F due to my very low AMH and even then only produced 2 follicles, which they seemed really pleased with. After reading about Sue's experience at one of their Satellite clinics I thought they'd cancel egg collection, but they were the ones saying I should go for it, after all it only takes one. They told me so often and were so optimistic about it working that sometimes I wanted to slap them!! So I thought WTF we have come this far, let's try it. Egg collection came and I was convinced I'd already ovulated, but hadn't. They give you the whole you may have 2 follicles, but that doesn't mean we will get any eggs spiel, but amazingly they collected 2 and they both went on to fertilise. I cried when they called me!! 3 days later I had 2 grade 1 8 cell embryos put back and amazingly got my first BFP in 29 months 7 days later!!!
Pebbles the day after I got my positive I had massive bleeding which lasted much of the day, then dribbled on for a couple more and I was convinced it was all over. I had tested 4 days before the OTD so I thought it served me right. I mentalled until the OTD but it still came up positive.

So here I am at 9 weeks 4 days and so far (not counting any chickens) all is going ok. Feeling sick almost all day everyday but starting to ease up a bit. The last week up until Thursday was grim and I didn't leave the house or my bed apart from going to get signed off at the Lister. Had my last scan with them and it showed a gorgeous little wriggly alien-looking thing measuring ahead a few days. I have to phone my consultant on Tuesday to see if I need a last dose of IVIG (had 2 already £££££!). Of course OH and I are completely ignoring the fact that I am pg...we don't talk about it and won't till after the 12 week scan. I have a scan at the EPU on Wednesday and then it will be an agonising 13 day wait till the big 12 week one, assuming of course it is still alive on Wednesday!

Waves to Mel, Brown, Buzzy, Belly and anyone else I have missed.

Oh and I have some hydroxy and Pred which I am willing to send to a good home so it doesn't go to waste. Pm me if you'd like it!

Thanks ladies but hard to hold out much hope, have had a f before official testing date on another ivf cycle so although early it is possible.

Duggs I am 12 days post ec.

Breezy that is fantastic news and will be crossing everything for you that all continues to go well. Thanks for telling me about the bleed, has given me a glimmer of hope but mut have given you a complete heart attack!!

Breezy so pleased for you please can I have the pred and hydroxy if possible? How long had you been on hydroxy?
Pebbles I'm so hoping the bleeding has lessened and its just implantation xx

Great news breezy - (did u see I posted about u on other thread yesterday?) I hope that gives some hope for pebbles?! It is just unbelievable when you get good grade embryos well blastocysts and they don't implant ESP 2. That is what happened to me last march. They were all chromosonally normal too. Well they did implant I got a bfp but af day after?? Wtf. So pebbles if this is in fact AF can I ask if DH has had DNA fragmentation test done? Sperm sent to the USA? Because if you are getting good quality embryos and having immune treatment then that could be a factor? Dr s isn't on that page and he was pretty useless with me when I asked why he thought They had failed so be prepared as dr Gafar prob similar? This may not have failed though as that is what OTf is for (although I ignored it) have you done a test this morning honey even if bleeding continued? IVF pregnancies have higher bleeding rate apparently.

Well tested this morning on a cheapie strip and got a bfp!! Tested with a first response as well I got in Asda which turned out not to be an early testing one and that has a positive, faint but clear. Still shaking!! Bleeding got less last night and when I went to the loo this morning just a bit when I wiped so praying is ok.

Fabulous pebbles even before OTD -cautiously optimistic. Just take it really easy next few days DVD on sofa x