Assisted conception after recurrent miscarriage

[duggs1976]

Hey super ovulators and those struggling with infertility after miscarriage this is where we are! Come on over ...

Oh that's fantastic pebbles. What a hurdle to get through. Have you ever had this many before?

That is amazing, Pebbles! How I would love your eggtasticness!

Very nice pebbles ... were you planning on starting your own football team? ;)

Well done Pebbles!

Great news, so far Pebbles. Hope there is further good news tomorrow x

How is the DHEA going, new DHEAers?

The first cycle we had Duggs I had 28 eggs if which 21 fertilised. Lots isn't always good though as they tend to be poorer quality.

Thanks Brown and I love the new word

They thought I was already 40 so neatly got offered the chance of having three put back which I have to say was a bit scary. Then again I am sure if it was next month and I was 40 no doubt I would go for it and take the risk!

How are you getting on Ari?

Wow pebbles that's great, lets hope it all works out for you.

dupek I had a cancelled ivf cycle as only had one follicle so similar to you. We converted it to an iui but it didnt work. I am now on letrozole so hopefully that will work. If after 6 months of no luck I will try ivf again but on a different protocol with a different clinic to before. I was on menopur for the failed cycle so would be trying a different drug. I think I am a poor responder as 41 although up until last year I never had a problem conceiving. Who did you cycle with and what did you use?

I am going a bit insane here as currently on cd29 with no period in sight. I had some light brown spotting 4 days ago (sat and sun) but tested bfn this morning. I was hoping it was implantation bleeding but I would have thought to get a bfp by now if it was. It's my first month on letrozole without a trigger so wondered if anyone else has experienced this???
When I used letrozole last year it lengthened my cycle by about 5 days so I think I triggered on day 19. That would be fine but the last time we dtd was on cd13 as DH went away with work! Surely any wrigglers would have died by then if OV did take place 7 days later?? I am concerned that I should have triggered but trying to keep this as low key and inexpensive as poss!

duggs how's the mentalling going?

mollie still thinking of you. Are you home from hospital yet? I found having a funeral for baby scarlet really helped me come to terms with everything so I hope you find the strength to do what is best for you. Unfortunately there are more choices to make when you get so far in a pregnancy which makes it even more traumatic. It brings it all back to me as it was almost a year ago that we lost scarlet. It will get easier over time although I still have my moments.

Ok sue that seems a bit odd? Letrozole does lengthen cycles I believe.
I had a 6wk scan at st Mary's this morning. Gestational sac and yolk sac measuring on for dates. Too early to see a fetal pole or heartbeat apparently so I have to go back next Wednesday at 7 weeks where there needs to be one. Suppose is good news but was hoping for some big flashing white blob on the screen to put me out of my mentalling for a while. Guess that is why early scans are such a waste of time. How is everyone else doing? I'm already preparing myself for bad news next week and thinking about what steps I take so I can get on with IVF quickly.

Duggs glad everything seems on course, but it is so nerve wracking having an early scan and then having to wait a week. I can totally understand your emotions and how you are preparing yourself for the worst, but try and stay positive. I am certainly praying that your little heartbeat is flashing away when you go next week.

Pebbles hope you have good news about your embies this morning.

Sue sorry you are having a wtf cycle. Perhaps it is just the letrozole messing with your cycle?

Brown I am not finding the DHEA too bad - I am definitely a bit more spotty, but not too hairy or aggressive, as yet. I am generally fairly even tempered and I am sure DH is hoping I remain that way! How many pills did you take? I am taking 3 but I need to take the third mid afternoon otherwise I absolutely can't sleep - I watched at programme about the obesity pandemic in India at 2.30am this morning! it is worse than the evil Pred. Did you find this?

Hope everyone else getting on ok.

Duggs that's a great first hurdle good luck for next week.
Pebbles good luck today you're in my thoughts.
Sue hope it sorts itself I had a 50 day cycle once on let letrozole and it drove me nuts.
I'm seeing prof quenby mon do you think I'll be ok to drive from York or should I get the train?
I'm also worrying incase I was lucky enough to be preg as it can cause mc but I guess if I do a first response ill be ok.
Waves to all x

What do you meal Mel? What can cause mc? Driving to York?

No sorry didn't explain myself well! Apparently you can't have a nk uterine biopsy if preg as that can cause mc though small risk, they do an internal scan first though. It's supposed to be abit painful so don't know if ill be ok to drive x

Ahh sorry I see! Well like you said if bfp on FR don't go ahead. Remind me your plan of action Mel. What have you had diagnosed so far and what does prof quenby cover?

That's all I can do really! Have high nk cells and tnf alpha ( 2 lots of humira now on hydroxy and restravatol) so on mr s plan- not doing super ovu yet as hoping humira still in system. Going to see prof quenby to check uterine cells though if positive don't know who's protocol I'll use! Just think I need to find out as they are supposed to be different and I'm wondering if its still poss to mc on mr s plan if you have uterine cells too- just a question ill ask.
Hoping to see mr gorgy too but oh thinks we should have faith in mr s for a bit longer.

Duggs is great you are measuring right size for dates, do hope this is the one for you but can sympathise with your thoughts. All crossed for you and like Belly hope you see that heartbeat next week.

Sue I found when I was in letrezole and pred my cycles shortened, hope it sorts itself out soon.

I thought Mel if you tested for high nkc's in the blood that would mean you have uterine ones anyway? Hope it isn't to painful and let us know how you get in.

NLC calked this morning and because we had some good embies they advised it is best to go to blastocyst and put them back Saturday. We had five really good ones (they rate them as 4.4 being the highest and these were 3.3) and three others that were slightly lower grade. The others still going but were more fragmented. Was a big decision to wait as terrified will get to Saturday and none if them would have made it! Never had a blast put back before, can have two put back assuming there is enough but obviously slightly scared of ending up with twins....

pebbles that is great news, i'm sure if they felt differently they would call you in tomorrow, fingers crossed for Saturday and maybe a frostie or two :)

Oh fabulous Pebbles! Quite impressed with this cycle. Excellent news. Am thinking of you.
I think I am going to opt out of the whole scanning thing. I really can't stand it. Really can't. I have been thinking of just being pupo until I either bleed or get to 12 week NHS scan. Whatever comes first. Feeling quite liberated by this decision - wonder if I have the guts to follow through. Years ago they did. It's not as if any intervention can help. Ok enough about me. How are the rest of you? Any more IVF cycles coming up?

Yey pebbles great news xx
That's what I thought about nk cells but prof quenby said they are different and affect implantation more so I just bed to know even though I've pondered about it as treatment is practically the same but wel see what she says!

Duggs you have to do what you feel us right for you x

Duggs, I can understand what you mean about the scans. The anxiety affected me in the opposite way though, so that I always want more scans, not less or none. But that's because when I miscarry, my body just doesn't seem to realise and I don't bleed and so carry about a dead baby for weeks and weeks. So if there's anything to know, I want to know asap. But we're all different. A temporary lobotomy while pregnant would be handy really; just switch the mind back on when it's all done.
Belly, no I didn't have insomnia with the DHEA. I had the best sleep of my life, having been a sporadic insomniac before that. I felt mentally brilliant. DHEA raises oestrogen levels and oestrogen is good for sleep, because it's a cooling hormone, and the brain needs to be cool to sleep. On the other hand, testosterone can cause insomnia I believe, and testosterone levels are also increased. Are you sure it's the DHEA causing it? I took it all in one go, in the morning, 75mg.

Same with me, my mc have all been different, I had a missed miscarriage at a 10 week scan so no pain or bleeding so that was a shock as others I've tended to bleed or have pain apart from the last one that showed up at 7 week scan. I liked having weekly scans but I guess it's shown me that I can have a great scan one day for it not to be the text. With our experiences whatever we choose is harrowing :(

They don't do a day 4 transfer with ivf, apparently it is a transitional day and they have to transfer the embies to a new culture. Just have to keep everything crossed!!

Duggs if you can stick it out it might be worth trying to hold on rather than having to stress over every scan. Maybe see how you go and if you feel you can't hold out have one. I imagine you are doing a lot of mentaling!

Good luck Mel, it gives you peace if mind to know you have done everything you can!

Sorry to be a pain and ask again buy what is the code to look at the treatment plans on miscarriage website? Have tried scrolling back but couldn't find it.

Blinking pred hardly slept :( the password is hs1909 x

The password is the one on my leaflet but doesn't seem to be recognised now :/ pebbles you may be best asking for a new one, I've tried doing that on the website and can't do that either so if you manage can I know it too please? How frustrating x