Missing Woman Nicola Bulley 2

I guess maybe it's possible with some high tech sorcery but I can't see how it could communicate over bluetooth when in water, and even out of water, bluetooth range is only about 20 feet or so

Am I right in saying, no one ever actually saw her at the bench?

all that was there was her phone and the dog/dog stuff? I know a witness saw her at 9.10. It just says near that area.

no one actually saw her at the bench though, just her stuff and the dog?

That's correct afaik @Activelyannoyed

Looking at it this morning, I think it’s right, it’s not an immediate drop, it’s a shallow bank…

She was seen at 9.10 some distance away from the bench in a field to the north. so no, I don't believe anyone has seen her at the bench. The assumption is that she left the phone there. Whether that assumption is correct or not, remains to be seen

That's the assumption - nothing has been released by the police to confirm Nicola was definitely at the bench. The last witness saw her in the top field at 9:10.

Yes that was my reading from photos. I guess she may not have fallen in near the bench though. That is an assumption based on the assumption that she was the one who left the phone on the bench.
What's that saying about assumption being the mother of all f* u**....?

Did anyone watch the divers getting out of the water at that point on the river? They didn't seem to have too much difficulty so it seems to be possible, assuming no injury or medical episode, etc.

That’s right, she was last seen in the upper field, no witness has placed her at the bench. Only phone and harness, lead at bench and dog somewhere between bench and gate.

this expert from Humber also thinks she did not fall in the river …Humber rescue founder

Doesn't the field she was last seen in, lead to the caravan park that's missing the CCTV? Rowanwater?
I'd assumed the cctv was missing from Wyreside but I've read that's it's not that one.

Yes, although I guess they are used to it. Personally, I just cannot see how she fell in and yet not have been seen in 12" of slow moving water. But I wasn't there and don't know all the info obviously.

How do they know she was ever even there then and someone didn’t actually take the dog there and her stuff and leave them?

so Basically other than the fact her stuff was found in that location and her phone taken there, no one even has an idea if it was actually her who left them there. Or if someone else did.

I used to have the 'top of the range' Fitbit, the data was glitchy at best. Unless you coaxed it into manually syncing/updating I wouldn't trust it in this situation...

this expert from Humber also thinks she did not fall in the river …Humber rescue founder

Really interesting information about the helicopter and thermal imaging - I wonder if this was used.

I think that's a correct assessment, I'm sure the police said there was no sightings of her at the bench. Last sighting on top field at 9.10. For all anyone knows now, she was taken from there and her stuff plus dog taken to near the bench. Police said phone was at bench by 9.20 and they said the technology had given them that piece of info.

I think that is a fair summary. Also troubling is that the dog was observed running between the bench and the gate suggesting that the dog thought she was the other side of the gate maybe. With the only broken CCTV on the one route that an abductor could have taken her, a lot is being placed on the phone and dog being left by the her at the bench.

Yip it appears that way and initial reports seemed to suggest the first person to find the dog (and tie it up) actually found it up that way rather than at the bench. The whole timeline around 9.20 is very bizarre. The phone was placed on the bench by someone but not necessarily Nicola and it appears there was then quite a big window of time before her partner was informed and arrived to get the dog, look for her etc. If a third party was involved they could have sat the phone on the bench at 9.20 (making it look like she’d fallen in) and left via the area with no working CCTV. It sounds unlikely but I feel like it has about the same chance of happening as falling down that bank, instantly drowning and being washed downstream.

@confounded234 agreed, the lack of marks on the bank would also seem to suggest she isn’t in the river. The dog was dry. Where the harness and phone were placed (by someone) is the only thing pointing everything towards the river

I haven't seen anyone say that searches have happened on Rowanwater. A massive pond there too.

That’s a little worrying, quite simply just as her stuff and the dog was there, doesn’t mean for one moment she put them there, or was ever in that location.

watching the divers, I am struggling with how the police think she fell in at that spot and drowned. I also don’t understand why the search party are finished for the day if that’s true, he said they’d be at it till after dark. Unless they are taking a break.

@ofwarren I have no clue about where they’ve searched but it wasn’t until I saw a video from the top field last night that I realised what a short walk it is to the caravan site gate, especially if she was actually in the top field and not by the river

@ofwarren i believe there is no CCTV / doorbell / dash am on rowanwater or allotment Lane and the main part/relevant CCTV on the caravan park wasn’t working at the time. I think the upper field is adjacent to rowan water and lower field nearer the allotment lane and caravan park, but only a few minutes walk from each other

allotment lane has been associated with criminal activity… Info

There was a tragic accident a few years ago where a car rolled into a river. It was near the edge when it went in, but could not be seen at all from the bank. Only the helicopter spotted it under the water. Things can be seen more easily in rivers from above, if they are under the water. With thermal imaging (if done fairly quickly), people can be spotted.

I mean it is possible she is in the river, I just don’t think it’s the most likely scenario when there are so many other possibilities for foul play or exits from the field sadly. I just hope the police are as thorough with these other possibilities as they are with the river, despite the river being their ‘working hypothesis’