Gunman on the run in Tyneside

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Tazering someone is not disarming any idiot knows if you get an electric shock the muscles tense.

thus it is murder, marksmen could have shot the gun out of his hand from a distance with a sniper rifle or distracted him with a flashbang, they wouldn't let his family talk to him who knows they could have got him to put the gun down if they gave them the chance, a six hour stand off isn't long in other countries they try for days to talk people out of it.

but Marne we do know that he shot 3 people and killed one, we don know that he was convicted for assaulting a child. Sure, he may have had mental health issues but I think people who are calling him a legend are not doing so because they feel sorry for him and his mental health.

I think the papers who have printed these stories are appalling as are the women who have gone to the press. Howevr they have no other avenue to tell their story, having been denied a trial.

Marne - we have no reason to call his ex a liar. We do have every reason to call Moat a pathetic, bullying, murdering toe-rag, a wife-beater and a child-beater. Who would you choose to believe?

He was imprisoned for beating up a nine year old girl - his own daughter. Nine years old!!

Legend my arse!

I am really wondering about the people who think he was a legend/a victim - whether they don't believe he did all those things or they believe he did but think it doesn't matter.

Having seen the pics, I cannot believe that this couldn't have been handled differently. The fact that the closest members of his family were not allowed to speak to him and the way the armed police were standing there pointing there guns seems to me to be an unofficial shooting. Yes police are allowed to shoot an armed man but in that position it would have looked like an assassination.

That said, having beaten up a 9 year old girl, never mind the shootings, shooting was too good for him. Stoning to death springs to mind.

Why are people commenting on the lack of relatives at the scene? He had already demonstrated his desire and ability to harm those around him....his ex partner, his child.....unbelievable that people are bleating about him not having the opportunity to harm more people.

I am assuming they were standing there pointing their guns at him in case he moved and tried to point his weapon at anyone else. I can't see why anyone would question that

he shot himself.

"I'm finding it difficult to believe some of the stuff I'm reading here. "

Me too. What the hell goes on in some people's heads that they have sympathy with this idiot? It's beyond my understanding.

Poor poor Raoul Moat, who wasnt allowed a bunch of relatives at the scene to talk him down, how terribly awful for him too that he couldnt control his temper either, not his fault of course

He was also seriously mentally ill too obviously. So mentally incapacitated, he managed to get hold of a few guns, made plans and carried out using them, avoided the police for days, rallied around support from like minded friends to hide him . There is no need to drum up a load of excuses. If it looks like an abusive murdering prick, it generally is an abusive murdering prick.

I cant believe my own eyeballs reading some of this. People lamenting that his children are in some way deficient of this bloke as a father???? The man beat and abused his girlfriends and children way before he started running round with a shotgun. Made threats in prison against his girlfriend. Acted on those threats. And then made more threats to gun down the police and general public. As Raoul seemed to back up his threats with actions, I think the police response was pretty tame.

Maybe people would be happier if they tempted the murdering abusive scum out with a cupcake and some gentle patting. My sympathies lie with his victims and his ex partner and children, I hope they find some peace as he is no longer here.

I have never potrayed a certain way that the police deal with DV , what I have said are my own feelings and frustrations .

Yes police officers are human and we are allowed a certain amount of frustartion when for the umpteenth time that month you go to the same address where yet again thereis a complaint against the 'absuer' - , hit victim agaiin, nicked child benefit, shagging someone else etc etc , victim wants him out , he is arrested and then victim no longer wishes to take it further.

As Mrswills said - a shitload of work goes into it only for victim to retract it and be in the same situation time after time.

The frustarting thing is that as a police officer you know exactly what is going to happend week in week out but the victim can't see that for whatever reasons.

I left the force 5 yrs ago , after over 20 service. Differnt faces - same story I'm afraid. It is very sad but this is what happens. Some women are not strong enough to help themselves - you offer some hope and help but if they don't take it , there can be very little you can do .

There is plenty you can do. If the evidence is there then you don't nowadays need the victim to say very much at all.....it has moved on.

There are plenty of DV victims on MN and for them to read a defeatist attitude by a Police Officer does not allow them to have confidence in a service. Your attitude may be personal but it is not helpful to any debate.

I can't understand the number of people who seem to think this man was hard done by. Heard some Geordie woman on the radio 'I've come to lay flowers here. I didn't know him but from what I've seen he was a gentle giant and he was pushed over the edge'.

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but I was at a service station today getting petrol and the Sun headline said 'moat's girl....' - I didn't see the rest of it, and I know this is the Sun and all but I was horrified to see his ex-girlfriend referred to as that (I'm assuming that's who they meant.) She didn't belong to him, plus she had ended it with him. I know it was just a headline and they have limited space, but it made me sick. She isn't his possession

It's all vile.

Him and his actions and the press covering it live 24 hrs.It was all too much.Did we needed coverage (for the locals who were worried?) when he was on the run? but we didn't need to view/hear the final moments of anyones life.Be that a murderers life or an innocent victim.There is no need to broadcast it.

Maybe he was a victim as a child,many of us are.

But it was his choice to turn that into anger and then abuse others and then to murder.He beat his 9 year old daughter and was imprisoned,his children were taken into care,what sprt of person worships a man who beats a child?

I quite believe that he also was a police informer.Hope that cuts through his 'pals' who wrote on their fb wall 'death to all police informers'.

Dittany - just get off your high horse will you !

A couple of other MN have already pointed out that there is the frustration when victims retract allegations and cycle starts again .

they can't lock somone up if no allegations are made and no witnesses to give evidence, yes they can authorities can pursue matters without victims statement in some cases but not all.

All authorites could do possibily do more for DV but we also need to realise that some people for whatever reasons , fear , financial etc dont want help . and YOU need to realise the frustration on behalf of the people who are there to help.

I am no expert but it seems neither are you - is anybody for that matter as the problem goes on time after time ..

I have been honest in my views on this thread and if I have offended some people with an honest account of what actually goes on out there so be it .

Moat's ex gf just cannot win according to you CaptainUnderpants. According to your comments on this thread, she was wrong to have finished her relationship with him when he was in prison (I mean, what a way to fuck with his head). Then she was wrong to have finished her relationship with him when he was in prison as his sentence wasn't long enough (she was never going to be safe, he was only locked up for 12 weeks after all). And now you say it's the woman's fault for not finishing with him.

You have generalised on the last point of course, saying that women of dv generally do not help themselves. But this thread is very specifically about Moat so I can only assume that you believe that to be true of Moat's ex gf.

fuck me captain you are an expert on everything arent you?

It's like a riddle isn't it.

So, when is the right time to tell a violent, paranoid, narcissistic abuser you're leaving him?