Gunman on the run in Tyneside

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She didn't want to be in that situation, though did she? She told him it was over, it didn't stop him coming back and shooting her.

Do you know that the most dangerous time for a woman in that situation is when she leaves?

Perhaps you could enlighten us, with your obvious insight, as to how a woman is supposed to appease this type of man?

You really are talking out of your underpants.

yes i know it is the most dangerous time for a woman when she leaves - that is why it is not the best time when he is prison for her to tell him. He has alot of time on his hands to think about things and has no way of letting off and anger.

He is at fault for this but there are women who do not help themselves because they think ' he really loves me '. Like it or not it does happen and it takes a long time for them to get a wake up call !

The more we realised that there are women like that out there who need a wake up call not stop trotting out some feminist crap ( at times ) then the better we can help them - how we do that ? fuck knows !

CaptainUnderpants , is a 'she' BTW.

So not talking sexist crap .

Well then, let's take Dittany's approach and keep the bastards locked up until such time as they are a threat to no-one.

You're blaming victims of domestic violence for the behaviour of their partners. WTF?

Maybe just do a quick google search on why some women stay with violent men and educate yourself a little.

Oh FGS there are women who are frighten but they are also some women who are naive in thinking that the man will change and he won't hit her again, he won't punch her in the stomach when she is pregnant with his child - realising that they are women like that out there may help them !

Not all women are frightened , they can be lonely , they can be in need of the financial security and all along hope that the man will change - the man will not change and thy need to realise that !

CaptainUnderpants your argument that women - victims of dv - sometimes do not help themselves bears absolutely bugger all relevance in this case as his ex gf did finish her relationship with him. She was helping herself and trying to escape the nasty bastard's grip.

I would politely suggest that you do not know what you're on about.

I have stood in the front line between women and their attackers , arrested them brought them to court and then few months later find them back together - not through fear but ' he really loves me , he's really changed ' , yopu can offer help as much as you wnat but if they think like that then no law is going to help them .

relevant to this incident or not - none of us know !

So you're a police officer CU, is that right?

If that's the case then you have a professional responsibility to find out why women stay.

It will take you all of 5 minutes.

Dittany - I did ot say that what happened to the victim in Rothbury is down to women who take men like this back .

I said women will take abusers back because of whatever reasons . she clearly hadn't in this case . What happened there is not connected in any way to how other woemen deal with their abusers.

The only connection I have made with this inicident that perhaps not a good idea for her to tell a steriod taking physcio that you are now shagging someone else whilst he is in prison and naive that she thought that he would not harm her if she said she was shagging a copper !

Not the police fault if he is brought to court and the courts dont send him down !

Ex cop thank you , retired few years back .

Nice public pension now !

CaptainUnderpants I believed I loved my violent ex until I finally left him. I had developed a low expectation of love from my own father. My ex had his own warped ideas too and he capitalised on my weakness and naivety to increase my dependence on him and convince me that was love.

Most of the women you are describing are temporarily brainwashed by deliberate mental cruelty. I hope you never experience the crushing effects of that sort of abuse, but discover some humility and tolerance the easy way.

CU, I sincerely hope that the level of training on these issues has improved since you've left the force.

CU are you saying that Raoul Moat's ex partner deserved to be shot because she informed him that she had a new partner? Er, what do you suppose she should have done, lie or become single again?

This is exactly how victims are controlled by abusers. She is told that she is herself responsible for his violence and temper. She then has to arrange her whole life in such a way as to not piss him off. You are promoting that abusive mind set CU. Your attitude is so wrong I don't know where to begin.

why would it "be interesting to know how many times she had withdrawn complaints of assault by him."?

Rindercella is absolutely right when she says "There would never have been a good time for her to tell him it was over, but I have no doubt that she felt the safest time was when he was behind bars and therefore unable to beat the crap out of her."

hang on CaptainUnderpants... let me get this straight

you are saying that women who are abused by their partners should leave them, but also saying that they should pick a 'right time' to do so?

So CaptainUnderpants, when should she have told him? When would have been a good time? How could she have prevented what he did?

No never a good time but did she really feel safe when he was only going to be behind bars for 12 weeks ?

yes - do him for threats to kill - if he made those threats in prison - who exactly would come forward to give evidence - his cell mate ? I think not .

yes women may be brainwashed - but they need to realise that is what is happening to them , if they dont then the cycle starts all over again.

and I just love the comments - 'you a police officer ! Hope training has improved ' - so bloody predicatable !

She couldn't have prevented what he was going to do - as I said before it was his fault and her telling him it was over whilst in prison is not an excuse for him to shoot her.

12 weeks was still 12 weeks that he couldn't turn up at her doorstep. I think it should have been the best time for her to tell him.

You talking abut women taking about taking back abusers is not relevant to this anyway as she had told him she wasn't interested in him.

And even if it was then you have skimmed over all the complexities of escaping from an abusive partner.

Oh brainwashed women need to realise that is what is happening to them. I see!

Have you thought of writing to someone at Women's Aid with that suggestion?

I had no idea domestic violence prevention was so simple.