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What do we think about Chris Grayling suggesting B&Bs should be able to bar gay guests?

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said · 04/04/2010 13:41

Grayling suggests B&Bs should be able to bar gay guests Story here

Considering he may be the future Home Secretary...

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atlantis · 04/04/2010 14:52

"atlantis, your holiday park scenario is a bit of a red herring since it applies to all-female groups as well (at least at every place I've been to) so it is not an example of sex discrimination."

Well the girls in my friends sons year had no problem with their booking ( uni ) but the guys did so I take it from that.

The problem here is this thread has turned from ;should people who rent part of their property out for financial gain be allowed to decide whom they rent to, into a 'it's homophobic' thread.

Alouiseg · 04/04/2010 14:54

"starkadder" I'm no expert but as far as i'm aware we haven't actually isolated the homosexuality gene yet.

atlantis · 04/04/2010 14:55

"This is not about "who you invite into your home". B&Bs are businesses, they rent rooms out for money. No-one's asking them to be friends with their guests."

But as I said should that not then apply to any room or house rented for money?

starkadder · 04/04/2010 14:55

fleshwound "The owner however has the right to refuse a single sex couple renting a room or an unmarried couple or a Jewish couple (if they were Jewish in the strictest sense and required the B&B to maintain a Kosher kitchen) or a disbaled person (if there was no acess for a wheelchair)"

Yes - these would be practical reasons why a Jewish or disabled person might not want to stay in your B&B and a good, conscientious B&B owner would indeed point them out to potential guests.

What would be the practical reason for a gay person not being able to stay? I don't believe that gay people have special dietary or access requirements. Correct me if I'm wrong.

daftpunk · 04/04/2010 14:57

Starkadder;

Maybe the B&B owners don't want 2 gay men shagging each others brains out in their home...

The minorities are not in charge, majorities have rights too y'know.

100000 more votes for the tories over this.

atlantis · 04/04/2010 14:57

"What would be the practical reason for a gay person not being able to stay? I don't believe that gay people have special dietary or access requirements."

No your generalising, i'm sure that some do.

As for 'access requirements'

starkadder · 04/04/2010 14:58

So, louise, why do you think people choose to be gay?

And you didn't answer my earlier question - is it more of less of a choice than choosing to be Christian - or the same?

Would it be OK to refuse a room to a Christian, because they'd chosen to be Christian?

starkadder · 04/04/2010 14:59

Right, now we're getting to it...

It's because the gay couple might have disgusting gay sex in the room, isn't it?

And that would harm the business how, exactly?

ilovemydogandmrobama · 04/04/2010 14:59

But if it's a B & B, it's not a home; it's a business and as such they have to comply with the law, which will make it an offense when the Equalities Bill is implemented.

atlantis · 04/04/2010 15:01

starkadder, why are picking on someone because they have a different belief to you? What makes your view right and there's wrong? Ten thousand years from now who really gives a f*?

Even if she was homophobic, which I don't believe she is what difference does it make?
It's a forum ffs, not a matter of life and death.

thumbchick · 04/04/2010 15:02

"I'm no expert but as far as i'm aware we haven't actually isolated the homosexuality gene yet"

Am speechless. there's no arguing with that level of wilful ignorance.

atlantis · 04/04/2010 15:03

"But if it's a B & B, it's not a home; it's a business and as such they have to comply with the law, which will make it an offense when the Equalities Bill is implemented. "

So it's not an offence now then.

Lets hope the equalities bill is not implemented, because this is a home.

Itsjustafleshwound · 04/04/2010 15:03

There would be no physical reasons why gays would be banned - but it could be on religious grounds???

So, anytime a gay couple want to rent a room for the night from a fundamentalist, born again Christian B&B owner - I suppose they will be reading this thread with interest ...

I repeat, any discrimination should not be tolerated, but at the same time I do think an owner of a B&B opening up their own house (vs having a separate annexe to their main dwelling) should have the right to refuse ..

starkadder · 04/04/2010 15:05

Am not picking on louise. I've seen her on other threads and always thought she sounded quite nice. But she is being homophobic and I am sure she does not intend to be. I was therefore trying to ask her things that would make her question her beliefs. I think that the world would be a better place if one more person was a bit more open minded.

atlantis - you do sound a bit thick, on the other hand.

daftpunk · 04/04/2010 15:07

Alouiseg and atlantis talk perfect sense, (as usual.)

WeNeedToLeaveInFiveMinutes · 04/04/2010 15:08

Maybe there should be an organisation for homophobic B&B owners to put on their websites with a little logo saying "bigots welcome"?

Chris Grayling is playing to the gallery. He wants votes from homophobic Tory voters who might stray to UKIP or BNP because they fear the party is going soft. He seems to have forgotten about the gay people who might have considered voting Tory.

atlantis · 04/04/2010 15:08

"atlantis - you do sound a bit thick, on the other hand. "

Ahh, thank you.

When all else fails show your stupidity by being insulting.

"I think that the world would be a better place if one more person was a bit more open minded."

But only open minded if it agrees with your thinking, you aren't exactly open minded to other peoples views or beliefs are you?

Hobnobfanatic · 04/04/2010 15:09

I'm astounded that anyone is defending the B+B owners!

To quote Mr. Fawlty - this is exactly how Nazi Germany started!

Is it really acceptable to close your business to Jews... to gays... to the disabled... to non-Aryans... or anyone else that you are prejudiced against?

No, it's not!

atlantis · 04/04/2010 15:10

"To quote Mr. Fawlty - this is exactly how Nazi Germany started! "

Oh here we go, we've got homophobes now let's bring in the Nazi's, next we'll be burning this couple for being witches.

Alouiseg · 04/04/2010 15:11

thumbchick I'm the first to admit I'm ignorant about it.

But I am aware that the debate is still raging about the causes of homosexuality.

starkadder · 04/04/2010 15:11

Yep, I admit it. I don't really like people who ignorantly discriminate against others who are doing them no harm.

atlantis · 04/04/2010 15:13

"Yep, I admit it. I don't really like people who ignorantly discriminate against others who are doing them no harm. "

Even though you yourself are doing it by calling this couple homophobes, gosh I guess your a split personality then.

Itsjustafleshwound · 04/04/2010 15:13

I'm sorry quoting 'Fawlty Towers' on this thread - LOL!! :O :O :O

We are not deneding the B&B owners - we are defending the EQUAL right of the B&B owners to decide who they want/don't want on their premises ....

Hobnobfanatic · 04/04/2010 15:14

Atlantis - yes, as well as a Bigots Welcome sign, perhaps these prejudiced businesses could put a No Jews or No Blacks or No Gays or No Women sign up, too? Then all respectable, white, heterosexual, middle-class, C of E, male Tories could choose where they shop or do their business, away from 'others'.

I'm sure the Daily Mail would do some free stickers in a pull-out supplement for such an occasion...

Itsjustafleshwound · 04/04/2010 15:16

There were loads of threads on this forum decrying the lack of any moral fibre exercised by the bankers, but deny a B&B owner the right to uphold what they believe in and should just concentrate on the bottom line and give up their beliefs because they are being paid???