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What do we think about Chris Grayling suggesting B&Bs should be able to bar gay guests?

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said · 04/04/2010 13:41

Grayling suggests B&Bs should be able to bar gay guests Story here

Considering he may be the future Home Secretary...

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tiredlady · 04/04/2010 13:43

Homophobia.

I expect nothing less from the conservatives.

A leopard doesn't really change it's spots

Itsjustafleshwound · 04/04/2010 13:45

Why homophobia??

People don't invite their MILs into their houses, but they are not condemned as anti-feminists or anti-agists???

tiredlady · 04/04/2010 13:45

Replace the word gay, for black, jewish, irish, disabled etc.

Just appalling

tiredlady · 04/04/2010 13:47

B+Bs act as people's businesses. You pay to saty there.

It's disingenuous to suggest they are inviting people into their "homes"

tiredlady · 04/04/2010 13:48

stay not saty obv

Meglet · 04/04/2010 13:49

Chris grayling, for example, is a twat.

I would hope he is going to get a bollocking from the tory party, but sadly I wouldn't be suprised if their reaction was simply 'meh' and he carried on where is he.

I so want to believe that the tories are changing and aren't all bigots, but this proves me wrong.

LeninGregg · 04/04/2010 13:50

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atlantis · 04/04/2010 13:52

A bed and breakfast is still a home not a hotel and you should be allowed to choose whom you rent a room too.

Would you be expected to rent a room to a vomiting drunk? No, so under some circumstances it's ok to turn people away.

I think homophobia is a strong word and gets thrown at people to close down a debate the same way racist does when people speak of immigration and it's not helpful.

As for tarring a whole party with one brush, it's pathetic, the conservatives do have gay and lesbians in the party just the same as the others fgs.

tiredlady · 04/04/2010 13:57

How can you compare a gay couple to a vomiting drunk?
Really?
Would it be ok to refuse to rent a room to a black or disbled or jewish person?

It is homophobic. Let's at least call a spade a spade

Original poster
said · 04/04/2010 13:59

How is being gay the equivalent of a vomiting drunk?

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Itsjustafleshwound · 04/04/2010 14:02

But what about the rights of those owning the B&B?? An owner of a pub/club has the right to refuse admission to some - likewise the B&B owners have a right to refuse who they want on their premises...

ant3nna · 04/04/2010 14:02

I don't think that B&B owners should be able to discriminate. The moment they chose to open their home to paying guests it becomes a business and like all businesses, you should offer your services despite any personal prejudices.

tiredlady, you are absolutely right, swap gay for black and everyone would be saying its wrong. Why is OK to discriminate against gay people? Oh yeah, its not.

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said · 04/04/2010 14:02

How is being gay the equivalent of a vomiting drunk?

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ant3nna · 04/04/2010 14:05

Itsjustafleshwound, a pub landlord can't refuse to admit gay couples just because they are gay either. Its the law.

B&B owners do have the right not to admit people but not on the grounds of race, sexuality, disability etc.

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said · 04/04/2010 14:05

And how would they know anyway? Is there going to be a test when you book in?

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Itsjustafleshwound · 04/04/2010 14:06

Why do you accuse them of homophobia when gays in civil partnerships will be given the same tax credits as those young married couples under tory tax plans ...

tiredlady · 04/04/2010 14:07

fleshwound,
It's homophobia because they are saying it is acceptable to discriminate on the grounds of sexuality.

thumbchick · 04/04/2010 14:09

homophobic idea, definitely.
In the end, any B&B owner has the right not to allow any guests entry if they don't want them or don't like the look of them - why formalise it in such a stupid fashion?
It's like going back to the 50s when it was common to see "no Irish or blacks" in the windows of B&Bs.

starkadder · 04/04/2010 14:10

Of course it is completely wrong. A B&B is a business and it is very wrong for the owners to discriminate against paying guests who will certainly do them no harm. If they're going to turn these guests away, the very least they should do in future is ensure that they advertise clearly saying "No Gays" so they don't have any more confusion. Wonder how much business they'd get if they were honest enough to do that...

Not at all the same as a pub landlord refusing entry to someone - pub landlord would be within his rights to refuse entry to someone so drunk that he/she would be likely to cause problems. It would also be very wrong for a pub landlord to refuse entry to someone simply because they were gay. Or the wrong race/sex/age etc.

The MIL argument is so completely ridiculous that I can't even be bothered to dissect it. Sorry.

atlantis · 04/04/2010 14:12

"How is being gay the equivalent of a vomiting drunk? "

It's about the right to choose whom you let into your home, it's not just a business, families live there, it's a home first and a business second, people don't live in their shops, there offices or there industrial units, it's different.

"It's homophobia because they are saying it is acceptable to discriminate on the grounds of sexuality. "

He didn't say that, he said people who run b%b's have a right to choose who they rent a room too in there home. Spot on.

Itsjustafleshwound · 04/04/2010 14:12

Homophobia is an intense aversion to to homosexuality.

Chris Grayling is just saying that B&B owners can have the RIGHT of REFUSAL - not the fact that Gays can't bokk rooms in a B&B

I have been refused a room at a B&B because the owners don't want children - they are not agist, or paedophiles, they are just exercising their right ...

Alouiseg · 04/04/2010 14:13

Some B&B's won't allow children.

I think it's up to the owners to decide and have their own booking policy. If I was gay i would probably book at a hotel that was actively gay friendly rather than just tolerant because it's the law.

ant3nna · 04/04/2010 14:15

B&B owners do have the right not to have gay couples in their home since it is not compulsory to run a B&B. Don't want to obey the law, don't run a B&B. Simples.

tiredlady · 04/04/2010 14:15

So atlantis and fleshwound ,

Are you both saying that it would be ok for B+B owners to refuse entry to a disabled couple?

Or a black couple? Or a jewish couple?

Really, is that ok with you two?

atlantis · 04/04/2010 14:18

"So atlantis and fleshwound ,

Are you both saying that it would be ok for B+B owners to refuse entry to a disabled couple?

Or a black couple? Or a jewish couple?

Really, is that ok with you two? "

In a word, yes.

As I said B & B's are not just businesses.

If your going down that route anyone who rents a room or rents a house out should not be able to advertise, 'no smokers', 'no children', 'no social security', ' no students' ,'professionals only', 'men only' or 'women only' .

Is that okay with you to force people to take into their properties people they don't want there for whatever reason?

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