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Man shot dead in Stockwell unconnected to terror inquiry

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QueenOfQuotes · 23/07/2005 17:06

Just seen a ticker on the BBC website saying that

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snafu · 23/07/2005 19:54

And one of my closest friends works for City of London Police (in a civilian post) and says they are unbelievably stretched atm. I'm not being an apologist, btw. This is an appalling thing to have happened and, sophable, I am angry about it.

Flossam · 23/07/2005 19:56

OMG, yes!! Parents name R and R?!!!

Caligula · 23/07/2005 19:59

Yes! OMG, small world!

scubawoman · 23/07/2005 19:59

Well personally if I was confronted with men carrying guns in plain clothes I would stand there and put my hands up!!!!! If someone wanted to kill you they would shoot you if you ran or stood still!!!!!!!!

Flossam · 23/07/2005 20:00

Do you know him or her? Sorry you will have 20 questions now!

Caligula · 23/07/2005 20:01

Him - have known him since he was a toddler!

Flossam · 23/07/2005 20:03

Aw bless! DP did his training with him a few years ago, am supposed to be meeting her for a coffee, but with all this haven't managed it yet. Don't say anything please! I'm a bit secretive about my MN habit! Are you friendly with his mother? I set him up with one of my best friends at one point - ohh, the things I could tell you!

scubawoman · 23/07/2005 20:04

At least if you stood still you stand a chance

Caligula · 23/07/2005 20:04

God I'm going to have to CAT you to get the goss! I've only met her about 3 times, she seems lovely.

Flossam · 23/07/2005 20:05

Go on then C! yes she is, bless her!

snafu · 23/07/2005 20:05

He should have been confronted way before he even got to the tube station, imo. If they really thought he was a potential bomber (and we have to assume that's exactly what they did think) why on earth was he aloowed to get anywhere near a train?

But, definitely a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Caligula · 23/07/2005 20:06

Sorry, meant R I've met 3 times. Yes, I know his Mum.

Flossam · 23/07/2005 20:06

Actually C - I can't wait... kurt-sam at kurt-sam dot wanadoo dot co dot uk

QueenOfQuotes · 23/07/2005 20:09

scuba - how can you 'stand a chance' if you stand still while someone points at gun at you??? I'm confused.....

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Heathcliffscathy · 23/07/2005 20:10

sorry. had to help dh put ds to bed.

flossam, i do sometimes have to use the tube, i frequently use buses, although i have the car some days i don't.

dh frequently goes into the centre of town for meetings and although i don't work in central london i live in zone 2 so, not out of the line of fire.

tbh, what that has to do with anything is beyond me. ergo, if i didn't take the tube i would have no right to comment??????

because you are a nurse, because sadly you have seem some of the injured people, i must not question your point of view or you will act as if i'm drowning your kittens????

sorry, but i'm p*ssed off now.

i have not blamed the police.

i have not said they should do nothing.

nor am i anti-police.

like i have said repeatedly, in times like these it is more important then ever to question (not just accept as a sad fact of life) that an innocent man was shot dead yesterday. i'm sure all good police people are doing the same.

if mn is a reflection of society (and actually i believe that it is both better educated and more sensitive then would be the case if it was) then i am seriously frightened by some of the assumptions and reactions people are having to the horrible things that are being done to our city.

flossam, i'm really sorry, but you did say yesterday that 'these people have brought it on themselves' and i severely questioned your use of that phrase. you said that i had misunderstood you, and i accepted this, but in this thread you have said 'I ask you to consider how we have come to this point again - if there were no suicide bombers there would not be such urgent suspiscion and no need for such drastic action to be taken.' which i take to mean that this guy wouldn't be dead if there weren't suicide bombers...and what? that's ok then?

as an adult i expect to be able to argue about news and current events on here whilst understanding that people get v heated in these things. I understand that i might come across them again on another thread and be supportive of them, or them of me.

you obviously don't see things that way. i'm sorry but i'm not going to not post in case you are offended because i'm questioning your point of view.

as for my dh. last night he questioned your point of view. he did it sarcastically and aggressively, and i'm sorry for that. but that is all he was doing. questioning your point of view.

reacting as if you're being stoned to death is a form of aggression in itself.

peacedove · 23/07/2005 20:10

the more I think about it, the more I conclude that the British character is changing.

So the police are taking their lessons from the Israelis now, are they?

Have the Israelis succeeded in curbing terrorism?

Caligula · 23/07/2005 20:12

Flossam have CAT-ed you!

QueenOfQuotes · 23/07/2005 20:13

Sophable - calm down - trust me it's not worth it, I know exactly how you're feeling (from yesterday)

Why not find a nice thread for a while like this one (sorry title made me laugh LOL). and take a breather from this one..........it works - honest.

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Heathcliffscathy · 23/07/2005 20:14

QoQ, you went ballistic yesterday!

i'm pretty calm and pretty peed off.

foxinsocks · 23/07/2005 20:14

peacedove, this was one officer

I don't think the British character has changed yet. I think if we get attempted bombings every couple of weeks, things may well start to change. I'm trying to remember what the atmosphere was like when the IRA bombing campaign was happening (I was living in London then) - but as those bombs were planted (rather than suicide bombers), I think it was a totally different thing.

As for Israel, I have been there fairly recently and in no way have our police become like that yet.

WideWebWitch · 23/07/2005 20:15

Well, we don't all know exactly what happened but we do know that someone was NOT connected to the bombings was shot 5 times, in the head, in London. It's fair to assume I think from The Met statement that they consider it an error and I do therefore think we're all entitled to ask how mistakes of this magnitude are made.

Caligula · 23/07/2005 20:15

I think as well, the difference was that the IRA generally gave warnings and didn't necessarily want to die.

Heathcliffscathy · 23/07/2005 20:16

btw, i'm going out in a minute, into london, for dinner, with dh. i'm not flouncing. i'm going about my business as usual.

Heathcliffscathy · 23/07/2005 20:18

www, they have apologised. the are totally aware it was a huge mistake.

i'm curious as to how it is that ian blair was saying that the guy was linked to their investigation yesterday...he must be furious with the people that brief him. i think he seems alright btw. even before he knew that the guy was innocent he seemed aware of what a grave and awful thing it is for anyone to be shot, especially in a busy tube station.

SenoraPostrophe · 23/07/2005 20:19

peacedove - one shooting incident does not mean we'll be going the way of the israelis (God, I hope not, - it'll never end if we do that).

By the sounds of things something went badly wrong somewhere along the line. And if the bit about the man being shot 5 times in the head when down is true, the someone should end up in court for it.

However none of us know the full facts and it seems pointless to debate the thing until they are known.

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