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What women want is an end to hectoring by feminists

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emkana · 14/03/2010 20:39

do you agree?

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tortoiseonthehalfshell · 17/03/2010 09:39

Obviously there is no justification for it. Show me the feminist who says there is. I certainly didn't. I've made it clear all along that ending the patriarchy benefits men too. But don't ask me to accept that men have it worse.

My question about severity is still relevant if you're trying to argue that DV isn't a problem that disproportionately affects women. Severity and frequency are both relevant.

Here's an Australian link to what I'm trying to say.

yetanothernickname · 17/03/2010 11:58

I did an essay on domestic violence and gender in sociology last year.
I found that women were much more likely to be severly injured and killed by domestic violence.
However for emotional abuse it seemed that especially in younger people the rates were pretty even in both genders. This indicated to me that either women had suddenly become more evil, or the older men were just less likely to report it.
So certainly for 'mild' or emotional domestic abuse it seems to me that men suffer just as much as women.
For extreme violence women are more at risk.

Quattrocento · 18/03/2010 13:16

I don't understand this post

"I don't feel hectored by feminists but when I see a woman who is really successful careerwise I see that she has sacrificed so much for it, in particular, the ability to have a good relationship with her children / partner."

Right, so you are saying that career women do not have good relationships with their children or partner.

And you know that for sure? Do you really? Because I suspect you are just seeing what you want to see.

Portofino · 18/03/2010 13:24

I have a good career but I don't feel that I have sacrificed anything at all! I do agree that if you really want to make the top, you do have to treat work as a priority - and that is the case for men AND women.

I get head hunted often, but usually turn down the interview offers as they involve too much travel. I don't WANT to do it when my child is still little, but there would be nothing to stop me GETTING a job like that. It is my CHOICE though.

It is not discrimination that stops me getting a potential huge payrise, and a jetset lifestyle, it is my wish to be as available as possible to my dd when she is small(ish).

hatwoman · 18/03/2010 13:32

sacrifice is a fact of life. whether it's sacrificing time with your dcs or time building your career, whether you're male or female. some people call it compromise, some balancing. some get it right (for them) some get it wrong. I thought we'd long ago moved on from the "having it all" nonsense - which no-one, male or female, can.

I don't, however, agree that you necessarily sacrifice a good relationship with your dcs, if you have a fantastic career. that's a very 1-dimensional view of something actually very complex

yetanothernickname · 18/03/2010 20:51

I think people with high flying careers do make sacrifices with how much of a relationship they can have with their children, especially small children and it's a shame.
But it's a shame for both mother and father to do that.

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