Faith schools should say homosexuality is normal..

[daftpunk]

Why can't people just leave us alone

ROFL at tapas. Are you the Archbishop of Canterbury or something? Or maybe you just haven't read the thread.
Thanks for cheering me up though.

What do you mean pofarced?

"No person shall be denied the right to education. In the exercise of any functions which it assumes in relation to education and teaching, the state shall respect the right of parents to ensure such education and teaching in conformity with their own religious and philosophical convictions."

That one gets violated all the time. If you took it at face value you'd have to have teaching of creationism (or at least opt-out from some science lessons). You'd have to teach that the death penalty was OK...but also that it is totally not OK. Etc etc.

And you'd also have to get rid of religious worship in non-faith schools pronto as lots of people are philosophically opposed to them.

I'm philsophically opposed to football. Can we have it removed from all schools?

The Bible (including the New Testament) says we can keep slaves. Where can I go buy one?

Read the thread, there's a dear.

i really dont see what is wrong with picking choosing which aspects of your religion to believe in.

Christians have been doing this for their entire history, Jesus onwards. It started with Judaism and the OT and then they explicitly or otherwise delete/add/amend. So, the ban on 'unclean' food was explicitly chucked out when Peter had that dream [which is why prawn sandwiches are OK] but whether all the rest of the old laws were still in force or not was left ambiguous.

'Continuous revelation' is I think what its called, WTF god couldn't have got it right the first time beats me

Grimma, you put it much more elegantly that I did.

Piss off pofarced, there's a dear.

I don't see the problem with picking and choosing, but you need to do it rationally and consistently, otherwise its all pointless.

you can't just say " I don't like gays cos the bible says its bad" and then say you're fine with ignoring all the rest of the rules because we've moved on and they don't make sense anymore, because then you are clearly using the bible to justify your own prejudices.

If you have a rational reasoning for a difference between gays bad and prawns bad, I'd love to hear it.
Anyone?

Glad to see MN have deleted DP's vile post from earlier.

ERm... prawns are... intrinsically evil... ooh, ooh, because they survived the flood!

(That one was DH's fault BTW)

excellent debate tapas.

Why thank you. pooface

I guess the prawn thing was voted out by Jesus when he said that nothing that goes into someone can make them unclean, but it still leaves women with their heads needing to be covered, not being leaders in a church, keeping quiet, and people having slaves (for starters).

So, who thinks schools should teach that lot too? Anyone here want to tell our mumsnetters who are vicars that they shouldn't be allowed to speak in church?

Glad to see that post deleted That certainly didn't come from any bible I have ever seen!How DP didn't get banned for it I'll never know

'I believe that "forcing" religious schools to teach that homosexuality is "normal", where this flies in the face of parental beliefs, may well contravene this parental right.

tehre are many parents though who choose a faith school and do believe that homosexuality is normal

Why should my kids be taught bigoted bullshit just becuase the local school is faith based?

A: they shouldn't, any more than one childs aprennts being racist /anti sn etc means that should be taught either

I didn't see the deletes comment, was it very bad?

You are correct that homosexuality is just an action.

Does not stop someone from being a muslim. We are not talk about excommunicating gay people from their religions.

Tariq Ramadhan is not god btw.

As I said with evidence..Islam expressly forbids homosexuality as do other religions.

Why deny that fact just because it doesn't suit you personally?

It wasn't just the food Jesus ditched-eating with gentiles for starters was against Judaism, and a fair amount of toher bits which I oculd list if I wasn't off to Uni now, sorry. It's out there on the net though.

The point of Christianity,my take on it, is that God guides us into the light: that was true with the early apostles who went against their traditions,and the later Christian leaders beleived it when selecting texts for the Bible; I believe that now, and I believe that Jesus wants me to hold His commandment above allothers,and that is love.

If I apply that to my life, I willbe OK. OTOH I could choose a bigoted approach, but if Ochose that I would be far away from what my heart tellsme makes a good person,and I do not want that. It is not me.

Tapas, the Islam faith is one of interpretation according to the wisdom of the scholars and leaders. It does not have Just One Interpretation, any more than any other faith does. I've had some brilliant conversations over the years about these things with mums who are Muslim, and much respect for their interpretations which they hold to be true.

But it does not mean that one person's interpretation is "right" and anothers is "wrong". All any of us can do is read, ask, take advice, pray, discern, and then consider in the light of what all the great religions agree on - that we are to love one another and to respect and love God.

I find no love in condemnation and mockery or hatred of people for a sexuality they are born with.

The Bible is full of condemnation for deliberate choice of sexually immoral behaviour involving multiple partners or sleeping around with people for a bit of fun outside of a loving relationship. Singling out gay people for hate or disgust of one sort or another whilst failing to single out all those who sleep with someone before marriage is very strange, eh?

Hands up all those who want to condemn nearly everyone in the country (and on mumsnet, undoubtedly) for sleeping with someone before they were married? Anyone? Nope, didn't think so.

How can you assert that "homosexuality is just an action"? thats an opinion, not a fact, i certainly don't see it that way. Its not just what you do, its who you are.

And again, expressly forbidden is open to interpretation. Are you always this rigid in your thinking, tapas, have you no subtelty to your reasoning?

I'm sorry peachy....

I don't get it...you want to be good/loving person, with strong morals.

Why choose christianity then. I mean above all other religions.

So many inconsistencies too. Jesus didn't ditch anything.

The bible was written and amended many times after he died.

No gay people have strong morals, is that what you're saying, Tapas?

Pooexplosion

Would love to hear these alternative interpretations.

Sadly most on this thread don't have any real knowledge on world religions.