Faith schools should say homosexuality is normal..

[daftpunk]

Why can't people just leave us alone

Society has progressed though and many social taboos have been overturned which is why many minorities can live in peace and have equal rights

there is IMVHO nothing noble about sticking to aspects of a religion that were written thousands of years ago, in different times by PEOPLE! a group of men sit down, say "we dont like this, this isnt how we should be living... lets ban it in the name of god, Im sure he won't mind" to use it as an excuse to attack others is wrong.

That's fine but then don't claim to be a believer in a religion that is 1000's of yrs old.

Most people aren't really christians but like the label.

Bullshit in mho

Agree with you queenofthe

tapas, I am not sure what point you are trying to make.

In reply to the OP where do you stand? I'm curious.

"nothing noble about sticking to aspects of a religion that were written thousands of years ago, in different times by PEOPLE!"

Absolutely!

Part of the reason I'm an atheist of course.

"That's fine but then don't claim to be a believer in a religion that is 1000's of yrs old."

Agree with that too.

My point is that if you claim to be a christian you have to accept that the bible condemns homosexuality.

Daftpunk does at least do this.

That leaves a certain amount of christians who don't agree with anti-gay sentiments.

They need to question why do they half-believe in a book written by men after jesus {not jesus himself}.

It's easy to call your self a catholic and disagree with most of it...

Helps your kids achieve atop class education though

But what about the other things the bible condemns that she doesn't adhere to?Why is that ok?

Whay does DP have to justify her choice from the "menu" of Christianity, whilst others don't?

tapas, I do not claim to be a Christian. My DH is Catholic, I on the otherhand am a confirmed atheist. I refuse to send my DCs to the local Catholic Church because they teach things that I do not believe in.

Just to make that very clear to you.

My point here is that you do not seem to have read the OP. The article is about ensuring Religious, State-funded schools implementing anti-bullying strategies for those who may be the victims of homophobic bullying and the DCs should be told that being homosexual is normal (so that that 10% in every class can come to terms with their feelings and not suffer unduly).

Are you honestly arguing that innocent children in Religious schools should have no protection from this form of bullying?

This is not a question of morality or religion, it is a question of child-protection.

Oh and welcome to MN

Oh its a menu now no wonder people love it! I tend to think DP uses catholicism as an excuse.

Christianity is not about perfection.

We are all travellers, all sinners, all people learning as we go.

I have loving, caring friends who are gay or lesbian, who are in committed caring, loving permanent Civil Partnership relationships with their other half, and they care for those around them and offer them friendship and love in return. If such people are an atrocity to God, well, so be it. But many many theologians and vicars and indeed Bishops say otherwise. In other words, the best and finest minds in the world say there's room for doubt.

I don't profess to be Better Than Anyone Else and don't wish to judge anyone else either. That works for me. As for whether I am worthy in the sight of God, that's up to him, but I'd rather not have my faith mocked nor assessed and found wanting in mockery.

me too noddy. its easy to cover atrocities and bigotry with religion.

noddyholder;

Tbh, I would probably think exactly the same way about homosexuality even if I wasn't catholic....lot's of people think the same way I do and arn't religious in any way.

Being a catholic makes me a tolerant person, I just will not actively promote homosexuality to my dc.

Oh and sorry I don't live my life completely by the bible....it's true I use contraception...if I didn't I'd have 17 kids by now...and yep, I have smoked cannabis..

Why don't you take me out the back and shoot me....

I'm sure you'd love that..

Poor DP

you are seriously weird

By daftpunk Mon 18-Jan-10 14:34:00
noddyholder;

Being a catholic makes me a tolerant person, I just will not actively promote homosexuality to my dc.

quote of the week?

I know can you believe it? Tolerant? DP I suggest you read back over some of your comments on race immigration sexuality and disability then look up tolerant in the dictionary and get back to us.

Why don't you take me out the back and shoot me....

Because so far on this thread you seem to be the only one who's mentioned being in favour of capital punishment

DP, no one is 'actively promoting homosexuality'. Its not a lifestyle choice. Just leave that red herring outside, will you please, its getting a bit old and stinky.

Is there not a difference between explaining something and promoting it?

I might explain about murder to a child who's trying to understand the news, but it doesn't mean I'm going to murder them or encourage them to murder others.

I might explain about scuba diving to them, but it doesn't mean I'm asking them to put a suit on and go for a swim.

Explaining that some people have different living arrangements to others is not the same as saying "now you go and do it too".

As for the challenges, we have 'religious' people who are offering "correctional rape" to lesbians in some countries to ensure they are taught that they are only there for men's use. We have homosexuals being put to death. It's not a joke, the level of hatred we experience in many places - it's not a bit of fun or selfishness or deliberate evil or stupidity on our part, the way we're born. It's often a ticket to lifetime of hiding and bullying and hell and abuse and violence for people at the hands of those that mock or hate or fear.

Religion can be used as a weapon of mass destruction, exclusion and hate. It does not mean that this is what God wanted nor intended.

I've still not got a clue what promoting homosexuality means

So DP, you are now saying that your views on homosexuality are not based on your religious beliefs?

"Tbh, I would probably think exactly the same way about homosexuality even if I wasn't catholic....lot's of people think the same way I do and arn't religious in any way."

Yes, they are called homophobes.

But this thread is about catholic schools.

The link in the OP was about faith schools in general. Concentrating on RC just lets DP play victim.

Actually Riven, this thread wasn't about Catholic schools at the start. But people have turned it into that. Over 70% of state-funded faith schools are Church of England.