Faith schools should say homosexuality is normal..

[daftpunk]

Why can't people just leave us alone

DP made this about Catholic Schools.

You categorically DO NOT, as a christian, have to accept that the Bible "condemns homosexuality", the bible as a historical document is open to interpretation and translation and scholars disagree on the interpretation of the very few mentions there are.

Its generally not a matter of people accepting an outside opinion dictated by their religion, and more like people with bigoted beliefs using religious justification to make them feel better and stronger in their judgmental attitudes.

If you really do believe in the bible, ask yourself what side of this thread Jesus would be on, and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be standing next to Daftpunk holding a BNP placard and ranting about nasty gays taking over the world.

Ah, Two4One another new poster. Welcome to MN!

I think that people sometimes get a bit obsessed over some of the 'rules' of someone else's religion.

Lots of people practice a faith (R.C C of E, Judaism etc) for lots and lots of reasons (community, fighting poverty, sense of universal acceptance/roots etc) but they may not agree with EVERY SINGLE rule/rite/ritual of that religion. I don't think we can throw them out if they don't agree with every single iota of it.

All religions are open to 'interpretation'. The bible says that all women should have their head covered, do all Christians do that?

Perhaps let your child enjoy school and all that it offers. Address homosexuality as it comes up. School, home and church do not always agree but concentrate on what unites you, rather than what you disagree with.

From the CofE site itself:
www.cofe.anglican.org/info/education/faqcofeschools/#homophobia

"Do CofE schools encourage homophobia?

No. Bullying - whatever form it takes - has no place in schools and staff work to enable all students to learn in an atmosphere free from harassment and antagonism. In particular, discrimination on grounds of race, colour, belief or sexual orientation is usually expressly forbidden with a school?s code of conduct.

The Anglican Church?s traditional teaching is that homosexual practice (as distinct from orientation) ?falls short of the ideal? expression of sexual love, which should be set within the framework of a faithful marriage. However, this subject is widely debated within the Church. At the appropriate stage within the RE or sex education curriculum, all students, in all schools, should have the opportunity to examine the full range of views, including the different Christian views, and to develop their own considered position."

Riven you are mistaken. The qura'an does expressly forbid homosexuality:-

7:81 You lust after men instead of women. Truly, you are a degenerate people.?

I found more but couldn't be bothered to cut and paste.

As I have said some people try hard to contort the reality of what their chosen religion says if it doesn't suit.

Youknowknothing - I've been on MN for ages.

Thank you for the welcome anyway

DP is catholic and said "Why can't people just leave us alone"

Mind you the OP itself wasn't offensive really. It was just that line and the link.

I'd like to know what they teach in state funded faith schools now too. I doubt any teach that gay people should be killed. At the other end though I'm afraid at best they must leave the impression that being gay is wrong and unpleasant.

Have you namechanged then tapas?

I am a welcoming type

Yes, loads of times. Is that ok with you?

Do wanna know some of them?

tapas, I still feel you are arguing a different argument. Am I right in saying you think that if someone is a Christian then they must believe everything the bible says, even the contradictory bits?

You still haven't answered my question about what you think of the OP? Do you think children in Religious Schools should not be protected from anti-gay bullying? Because their parents have views and they should suffer for their parents' beliefs? What is it you are trying to say?

'As I have said some people try hard to contort the reality of what their chosen religion says if it doesn't suit'

It'samtetr of interpretation, you could argue that lust is the banned action there. Same as any faith really. It's an evolutionary thing.

Asfor the OP- my kids go to a faith school and I amteaching them that homosexuality is normal and I hope they pas it on in the playground, 'guerilla tolerance' to overcomewhat any teachers might think.

@ Peachy, me too! My son told his entire class that boys marry other boys after someone insisted boys could only kiss girls. he came home and told me they were very silly and they didn't know anything about weddings or kissing!

I'm not sure that anyone has argued that children in religious schools should not be protected from anti-gay bullying.

(Personally, I think children should be protected, as far as is possible, frok bullying full stop. I don't accept that racist or "homophobic" bullying is necessarily worse than any other kind).

Article 2 of the Human Rights Act 1998, Part 2: "No person shall be denied the right to education. In the exercise of any functions which it assumes in relation to education and teaching, the state shall respect the right of parents to ensure such education and teaching in conformity with their own religious and philosophical convictions."

I believe that "forcing" religious schools to teach that homosexuality is "normal", where this flies in the face of parental beliefs, may well contravene this parental right.

Youknownothing

I think people who send their kids to a faith school should accept that the school will adhere to the principles of that faith.

Also a lot of people on MN are a bunch of religious hypoctites.

Also ones belief in the scriptures {whatever religion} is weak, at best if one doesn't believe in half of it.

Also I have severe pmt...

Am against all bullying btw.

Even it's bullying against daftpunk

Would you say that if their belief system included the "fact" that women were less intelligent than men and shouldn't work or vote? Or that jews were the enemy?
Or is it only acceptable to teach discrimination when you feel like lots of people agree with you?

I agree tapas a religion that you don't have full conviction in is an odd thing to hide behind when you are making sweeping statements such as DP does.

I think it's her own prejudices but she doesn't quite have the balls to say that.

Just something to think about I suppose

I keep in mind the old saying that we know we've created God in our own image if we 'know' that God hates all the same people we do.

Pooexplosion -

I would not hold with a belief system that advocated such bullshit.

Who does?

tapas, I disagree with you, but thank you for answering; hope the PMT clears soon

scarlet, you can't have a situation where on one hand you are treating any children who may be homosexual (statistically 10%) as "the other", and on the other you are saying don't bully them for being different.

Children don't work like that.

And as has been demonstrated on here it does not fly in the face of every parents' religious beliefs. To do the opposite would be equally defying the rights of those who believe their religion does not condemn homosexuality.

tapas, I was referring to your earlier post to me BTW.

DP has admitted her views are not necessarily linked to her religion already:-

By daftpunk Mon 18-Jan-10 14:34:00
noddyholder;

Tbh, I would probably think exactly the same way about homosexuality even if I wasn't catholic....lot's of people think the same way I do and arn't religious in any way.

Being a catholic makes me a tolerant person, I just will not actively promote homosexuality to my dc.

Well if they are not linked to her religion why did she start the thread?I think her views are not attached to religion at all bt are so abghorrent she needs to use the bible to say it.

i really dont see what is wrong with picking choosing which aspects of your religion to believe in. as I said earlier, thats how churches evolve through the years. Henry VIIIth wanted a divorce, his church refused on the grounds that it was forbidden. he set up the Church of England. its no different to muslims such as Riven living by the Qur'an but refusing to accept homosexuality as "wrong" or "abnormal" or Christians refusing to stone a woman for infidelity, yet still going to church every sunday.

Noddy, yup, homophobia and intolerance are so much more palatable when shrouded in Religious Fervour