Faith schools should say homosexuality is normal..

[daftpunk]

Why can't people just leave us alone

What on earth is your argument Harpy? Because you are not making very much sense.

Normal is not the same word as majority. If 60 per cent of people eat cereal for breakfast and 40 per cent eat toast, are the toast-eaters "abnormal"?

"Who the hell said we, as humans, have the capacity to cherry pick which sexuality we will develop. Thats patently stupid."

you might want to ask DP about that one...

Aitch;

The thread was called, "pope says gay marriage is a threat to creation" (it's in the news section) and 1st post said, "This guy is a homophobic idiot" all the other posts were pretty much the same.

I didn't post on it, even though I was slightly offended..I ignored it and let them get on with their catholic bashing.

All I'm doing with this thread is registering my disapproval of NC comments, just like the poster of the pope thread was registering hers....I want my dc to look on mumsnet in years to come and read my posts, I want them to know I publicly took a stand against things I didn't agree with....My posts might cause them great embarrassment, but I'm guessing they'll be a little bit proud of me.

You mentioned I was trolling on the career women thread.... totally not true, I just said it was a matter of opinion, I think you need to get a grip over that thread....this isn't a giant moldies site...people wont always agree with you on here.

I'm not trolling with this thread, I have every right to link news items I feel are relevant to me and other parents, I am not homophobic, I am a very tolerent person, but I can be tolerent of people's behaviour without actively promoting it.

Sorry about saying you were sticking up for morningpaper....that was childish of me, I was in bed half asleep when I posted that.....(plus that filthy lesbian in the stripey hat wanting to talk masochism with me,....she kinda threw me a bit)

Someone mentioned catholic adoption agencies. the catholic adoption agency closed down, they wouldn't place children with gay couples.

LG; I am very upbeat usually, I even have a sense of humour sometimes... maybe I'm going through my tortured soul phase...?

I don't like indoctrination either. Trouble is, kids from some faiths get indoctrinated by their churches that certain groups of people are abnormal. That is the root of this and why the headline mentions faith schools in particular. Its a corrective against indoctrination being proposed.

If you don't want state-funded bodies performing any type of indoctrination, then start with getting rid of faith schools and religious worship from all schools - that IS indoctrination in non-factual matters.

Pooexplosions, to quote myself:

"We all know the Pope doesn't find homosexuality acceptable. Nor do most Muslims." (NB: not "all")

Am I for real? Oh yes.
Are you?

Homosexuality is punishable by death in a number of Muslim countries and illegal in most.

Ah yes, you say... but not here in multi-cultural, politically-correct "liberal" UK. Wrong. Another Guardian poll here - from May 2009. "None of the 500 British Muslims interviewed believed that homosexual acts were morally acceptable".

Yes, I was surprised, too.

By the way, only includied the Muslim attitudes poll because I like to try to back up my argumants with facts/evidence wherever possible. To be honest, I didn't really think it was contentious in the first place, saying that most Muslims do not find homosexuality acceptable. I thought that was pretty self-evident. Anyway, I'll stop waffling now.

Actually the catholic adoption agencies didn't close down, they just disassociated themselves... from the church. All are still running, as far as I am aware.

(FYI)

scarletlilybug: Can't follow your argument here, sorry.

Which one? (Am wasting far too much time this morning )

Yes, go and clean your house/do some work

I think I did, was simply backing up her statement that most muslims find homosexual acts unacceptable. She's probably right, unfortunately.

your choice not to post on it, then, dp.

"why can't people just leave us alone?' was your OP. victimish and pathetic and indicating that you belong to an 'us' is not 'registering your disapproval'. i very much doubt you speak for the other parents whose children attend your school.

i will be sending my child to a faith school in all probability and i would be FURIOUS if i thought that she was going to be taught your fearful, homophobic opinions. in fact, this thread has convinced me to phone dd's possible school only today to check what she would be taught, as it will factor in my decision-making process. the asst head said that 'god made everyone and he loves everyone' is basically the thrust, and i'm happy with that.

if your children are gay, or have a gay family member, or friends, or colleagues (ie if they live in the real world) i don't imagine they'd be proud, tbh.

i don't know why you'd mention moldies, unless it's another victimish stunt, because as you know i don't post there and had unsubscribed from it long before you even knew it existed. you were trolling on the OAA thread, with your or whatever, and you apologised for your behaviour and moved onto the sahm vs wohm thread instead so i don't understand why you'd be so offended by the accusation.

so many of your threads recently have been quarrelsome and obnoxious, imo, whether it's banging on about the BNP, about homosexuality, sexism, wohm vs sahm or whatever. Of course you are entitled to hold your appalling views, but these views, i have noticed, do not tend to emerge in the context of another thread. it's you who starts them, for the most part.

that, to me, is someone going 'aha, i'll wind them right up tonight', rather than spending time on the site reading threads and responding to them. at best, it's attention-seeking in the extreme, at worst, trollish.

Yep Aitch that is what I was driving at

swc i was educated in catholic schools and was always encouraged to think deeply and discuss points like the church's view of homosexuality. this, if anything, was more important than the teaching itself. so our lessons were more 'this is what the church says, what do you think?' than any strict dogma, and this was a jesuit school.

lol i don't know who it's got on it, but i think you are kidding yourself tbh. from what i saw before i legged it, there are right-wingers on there who would have your gas in a peep.

smallwhitecat

People are entitled to hold whatever views they want, it being a free country an' all.

What we are debating here is the teaching of those views in a state-funded school.

Don't worry I'm sure there are lots of people that Aitch finds irritating on moldies

SWC: Official Catholicism doesn't see homosexuality as an undesirable behaviour, it sees it as a "intrinsic moral disorder". It's fairly unusual (ime) to find catholics 'on the street' (in this country) that agree with this TBH. And catholic schools are funded by the state. They aren't allowed to teach that. So one would hope that sending one's children there would not expose them to such messages.

And I think actually when people hold views that oppress other people and see them as less human than themselves, then challenging those views is important, actually.

Scarlet

BECAUSE homosexuality IS normal. It is not a belief. It is a fact that is inherent of any commonsense definition of the word "normal".

It does not mean (nor does it need to mean) that homosexuality is the majority, or even that it is typical - just that it is not "abnormal".

FGS, can people not have differing opinions anymore? Some of you lot sound like communists! The State this, the State that. Must teach this, must teach that. I daren't name anyone in particular as dont want to get bullied off the thread but you sound as dictatorial as the religious zealots who have wound you up in the first place!

And why did this have to turn into a Catholic-bashing thread? Most state-funded faith schools are CofE you know.

It's ok to insult the beliefs of Catholics, but not homosexuals? I think a lot of people on here have other agendas. And a surprising number of seem to be expert in faith-school teaching methods...

I can see how when you don't share someone's view, it is very hard to accept for some people (who like to be agreed with on all things!) but ramming your own beliefs down the throats of others is not the way to win support.

Some people here seem to think that to be a proper liberal, you kmust either not have an opinion, or see all opinions as equal. The cries of bullying and saying we are trying to tell people what to think is frankly ridiculous.

I don't care what you think. I don't even care what you say. But I do strongly disagree with your right to teach children that being gay is being abnormal or immoral or unacceptable. I don't care what your faith has to say about it, the catholic bible teaches that slavery is acceptable and that women are unclean and should hide during menstruation, but you wouldn't get away with teaching that in school, so why should you get away with preaching about gays either?

Think what you like. But do not use state money in a state school to teach you prejudices. Haven't you got pulpits for that?

it's just...like...the law?

I'm not sure exactly what half of you are you arguing FOR?