Faith schools should say homosexuality is normal..

[daftpunk]

Why can't people just leave us alone

V.true LJ

I think someone asked what the reaction would be if a homosexual said they didn't see hetrosexual behaviour as "normal"....

The Catholic Bible? What's that when it's at home???? Do you mean the Christian bible, common to all Christian denominations?

"I don't care what you think. I don't even care what you say". No, having spent half an hour reading this thread, I think I am realising that.

Have you put your fingers in your ears now Poo?

so many posts, so little in the way of coherent points

Daftpunk

I can answer that one for you.

The homosexual in question would be deemed a cretin.

"Stalin's Russia unfortunately no longer exists, but I'm sure North Korea could accommodate you"

I think you've just... anti-Godwin'd the thread

Should we also be teaching creationism, then? Is it OK to teach that the earth is flat? That forriners are lesser human beings? Where are you drawing the line, swc?

yep, there's no catholic bible, poo, just the bible. (as used and abused by the religious and irreligious alike).

"The Catholic Bible? What's that when it's at home???? Do you mean the Christian bible, common to all Christian denominations?"

The Catholic Church now uses the King James version, does it? Times have moved on ...

Can somebody tell me what exactly Catholic schools (since we appear to have decided that they are the root of all evil - despite, as someone else said, accounting for about 20% of faith-schools) teach about homosexuality?

See, my mate teaches RE in one. She reckons they say it's not what God wants, it's against procreation (as is sex before marriage) but that homosexuals are God's children and deserve equal respect.

If she's right (I've no waying of knowing as I don't acccompany her to lessons - though some of you seem to spend your days watching Catholic RE lessons on webcams!) is this really so bad? Can't you let it be?

Actually the catholic Bible IS different as it has a different set of books, although the majority are the same as the "protestant" set

Pooexplosions;

give up....you're just looking like a complete twit now

"I think morningpaper's grasp of what oppression is is somewhat tenous. Holding the view that homosexuality is abnormal is oppressive; compelling people by law to espouse the opposite view apparently is not. I don't know whether to laugh or bash my head very hard against the nearest wall, really."

Um so what you are saying is that you think schools should be allowed to teach that homosexual peole are "abnormal"?

Yep - I'd go for the head against wall

It's not significantly different though is is MIFLAW? Poo was clearly trying to be insulting. I just don't get why all the venom is dirceted at Catholics when most organised religions are a bit iffy on this subject.

So many new posts.

smallwhitecat, that some people are homosexual is not a moral view, but a fact. You have the right not to like this fact just as you may hate that grass is green if you wish.

DP also has the right to dislike it and should continue to post about it if she wishes. As I said before when someone posts something like that it clearly displays to anyone who reads the thread that this is not the general view. If it never came up some people might live their lives assuming that everyone else hated gays too.

As for Catholics hating homosexuals I'm sure that most do not. However if they don't want people to think that they do they might want to stop carrying around a book which includes a rule that homosexuals must be killed.

"See, my mate teaches RE in one. She reckons they say it's not what God wants, it's against procreation (as is sex before marriage) but that homosexuals are God's children and deserve equal respect."

Do you not think, Virtually, that if you were gay, and heard that it was not what God wanted, that (therefore, I assume) God had NOT made you that way and you couldn't live life in a long-term companionship without doing what God doesn't want - do you not think that would utterly and completely either destroy your faith in a benevolent God or your faith in yourself as a good and wholesome person?

"However if they don't want people to think that they do they might want to stop carrying around a book which includes a rule that homosexuals must be killed."

i missed that one, was i supposed to get it out of the Big Catholic Library?

I still don't quite understand what the objection is. Nick Clegg is not talking about promoting homosexuality (whatever that means) he is talking about it being explained that it is normal (and after the long discussion on the semantics of this earlier in the thread, he can only mean that in its conversational rather than statistical meaning) and anti-bullying measures being put in place to protect those who are gay from prejudice.

He is not asking that the schools make any moral judgement whatsoever, he is simply saying that vulnerable children who may be struggling with their sexuality should be protected from victimisation, and that tolerance and loving one's fellow man (no pun intended) is encouraged.

How can that be wrong? I just don't get it!

I take your point. Well, faith schools had better get on the phone to God and change his standpoint on this then.

Or just gloss over it and teach something they don't believe, in order not to make anyone feel left out.

Good point. I hadn't thought of that.

Just to recap my post from the depths of history - this debate became about Catholic schools because the OP (a Catholic) came at it from that angle.

VR, if you look at the original article, you'll see NC said schools ought to teach that homosexuality was normal and harmless, and they ought to tackle homophobic bullying. when push comes to shove, it's just about being nice to people really, and I can't for the life of me see why that's so controversial...

It's not different at all, swc, for some people creationism is a matter of faith and they may well feel it's important that it's taught to their kids. So should it be taught in a state-funded school?

Faith schools are not SUPPOSED to teach WHAT THEY BELIEVE as fact

If you think that is true, do you think it's fine for state schools to teach creationism?

Aitch, that's Leviticus 20:13...

AitchTwoOhOneOh, I can't believe that you have never heard of Leviticus 20:13 so what do you mean?

"'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

I know that Christians will say "oh we mostly don't bother with many of those old rules now" but if the BNP had a pamphlet which had "kill all black people" in an earlier paragraph then saying "oh we mostly don't bother with that bit now" wouldn't go down too well.

or tell their pupils not to bully each other for whatever reason and encourage them, through discussion and debating of the church's teachings, to stand up where necessary and reject them. and that includes our pope, btw, who i think is a homophobic old idiot. mind you, the whole church is fucked, lost its opportunity to truly modernise when it brought in hardline jp2 rather than an italian.

so you're just referring to the bible, then? not exclusive to catholics, and not actually carried by many of us either.