Proposed march through Wooton Bassett

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Initially saw this on the BBC but this link gives a bit more detail. I support everyone's right to free speech but ... dear goodness, this seems to be exceptionally bad taste. My DH is an army doctor and, during his time in a free Afgan clinic for civilians run by the army, saved many Afgan lives. He's going out there again in January. I can imagine I'd be incredibly distressed if he'd lost his life in the conflict and somebody wrote to me explaining what he'd 'really' died for. Ugh. Maybe it's just my personal bias, but I can't help feel that the proposed march is sited to cause maximum potential for violent conflict and to cause maximum hurt to those who are bereaved.

IME many of our medics are not white and/or not British. Actually I don't respect people's right to hold racist political views.

"I am sure a racist and homophobe would be very much at home in the Tory party. "

Well to be quite succinct; your an arse.

"DP has set herself up for mass condemnation hasn't she? "

No she hasn't only by biggots like you who can not accept that BNP are a legitimate political organisation and have a right to be heard.

"She doesn't seem remotely ashamed to admit her prejudices and I think she enjoys the attention."

As I said before she doesn't need to feel ashamed, no more than the idiots who put their mark next to a labour candidate, or yes a conservative candidate.

If she enjoys the attention well fine, anything that gets you through the day, if you have a problem with that then stop posting on threads she's on, i'm sure she wont miss you ( I could be wrong, she may well do?)

"I do not think illegal immigrants get food and shelter provided by the tax payer, "

Pressing the stupid buzzer, try watching and episode of border force, illegal immigrants aren't just the ones who slips past border control and disappear to work in seedy jobs for Labour Ministers you know.

"how I would love to be a fly on the wall the next time she seeks assistance from the NHS. "

They do actually have some white doctors and nurses working there. I know most have emmigrated under this government, but there are still a few left.

" Actually I don't respect people's right to hold racist political views. "

Well it's lucky your not in charge of the country then isn't it, for a start you'd have to deal with Islam4uk, tell me what would you do with all of those racists who want death to the infidels? To turn the country to Islam. To bring in Sharia law.?

posie that NHS comment now makes even less sense

i think that is far from where dp or the vast majority of those who will give the bnp a vote stand
it is clear that recent immigration and asylum is a huge issue for many voters in the UK
whether we like it or not many, many people feel our policies in this area are nonsensical and unsustainable

not sure hsmp visas falls within that remit or debate...

ignoring these views or branding them racist won't make them go away and will allow the bnp to grow
i've been surprised by the number of educated people who have spoken about the bnp in terms, whilst not glowing, far warmer than I would ever have imagined

BP;

"Personally I've spoken to a number of people who said they were considering voting for the BNP because "something needs to be done about immigration."

I then talk about what some of the BNPs other policies, what those policies would mean to their families and about the views and statements that people in the BNP come out with."

Agree BP, I have canvessed on doorsteps also and I like to point out that the BNP have some very dodgy policies and I explain our policies on immigration (to the best of my ability) but I don't try 'shouting' them down and I would not get the thumbscrews out if they said no thanks i'll stick with the BNP.

"What then seems to end up happening is that they say they're going to vote conservative, which I'd rather they wouldn't, but there you go."

Well thanks for the help there BP we (as a party) appreciate all your hard work.

But the conservatives are the only main stream party that want to put a limit on the numbers coming in and as this country is heading towards 70 mil and we don't have the infrastructure to deal with any more people I whole heartedly agree with them.

There's only so much stuffing you can force into the turkey, as my old nan used to say, and we all know the wisdom of grandparents.

National Socialist German Workers Party were also legitimate I believe, not quite the same as the SPD though but I know which supporters I would have rather been friends with.

"National Socialist German Workers Party were also legitimate I believe, not quite the same as the SPD though but I know which supporters I would have rather been friends with."

No ones asking you to be friends with her, just stop attacking her. If you want to attack the policies go for it.

Perhaps it's only where I live that many of our Eastern European and Asian medics have recently arrived then , you know the ones without an English accent that were born elsewhere? Besides the BNP has no cosy cushion for people that have lived here a long time.

Personally I think we should look at other models of immigration and find a new one that works for Britain, we are, after all, an island.

"I do not think illegal immigrants get food and shelter provided by the tax payer, they work damn hard for very little money and try to survive"

I don't know how it's set up at the moment, but surely there must be two groups of illegal immigrants? those who are locked up for entering illegally and therefore fed/sheltered after a fashion and those still in hiding and working illegally. Which makes them also guilty of tax evasion and other crimes of course.

Daftpunk you said "We can't provide every single immigrant in the world with food, shelter and money...

Forget politics, basic ecomonics should tell you that...."

I tried pointing that out once and was told that we can keep taking more and more people without running out of room or resources with no upper limit - sigh.

I tried explaining about putting things in a box until the box was full and then trying to put more things in the box, but it got me nowhere.

The same people who say we have infinite room and resources will be posting elsewhere complaining about waiting lists for nursery/school/hospital places, traffic jams, the lack of parking places, the lack of open areas for kids to play and so on.

Onagar, have you not learnt by now that it is not possible to engage intelligently with a large tranche of the MN community?

If not, you will. In fact, you are.Right now.

" have you not learnt by now that it is not possible to engage intelligently with a large tranche of the MN community?"

It's the pack mentality that gets me, you'll find the same old ones hunting down people who do not agree with them and attacking en mass.

pp
hsmp visa holders have never been an issue within the bnp afaik...they and their policy has always been focusing much more firmly on exiting illegal immigrants (I would guess as it's easier to drum up support that way)

rather than trying to allude to bnp resettlement camps...voluntary aided compensated resettlemet as they suggest would never catch on, never become law or work en masse but would perhaps suit some...who the hell knows?

the point is, although you might dislike the idea of it it is a legal political party in the UK and many people see some grains of sense in some of the policies
hence why Cameron is grabbing and diluting

'But that's your choice you should not impose your choices on others. '

No. But I can ask. Why on earth not?

Atlantis youa re right that it is only the first safe country a person reaches, but a number of asylum seekers do reach us by plane and therefore we need the system in palce- and as I said I support deportation for those who came here illegally. I would have a porblem with deporting someone to a dangerous homeland even if they did not follow the stop at first place rule. That doescreate a dilemma of course, I personally don't have an issue with a complete overhaul of general immigration and the imposition of caps (I know its MN tradition toa ssume that being alib means wanting no caps at all but thats not always true).

Atlantis, before pressing the stupid buzzer try the spell check button, there's a dear.

When posters spout 'go home johhny foreigner' attitudes and spread homophobic comments all over a forum they have to expect most people to find it pretty abhorrent and post accordingly. Pack mentality my eye.

If we imagine there are 6 million illegal immigrants,

can't be arsed....need to see my polish cleaner out, she's come out in the snow.

And in all honesty I do think apck mentality sometimes translates into (not always, I have witnessed it in action)'I don'tlike the majority opinion held on MN but if the majority ofposters disagree with me it is apack attack'.

When actually,you (me, us, everyone) accepts MN for what it is and either deals with that or goes elsewhere. I adore the liberal MN mentality.So I stay.

what is your point by saying, if we imagine there are 6 million illegal immigrants?

are you really comparing or alluding to one very loosly sketched out part of a bnp policy with our Kristallnacht?

really?

meant to scrub that out....i think the figure is nearer 400,000...

and no, what made you make that leap?

I wonder what made me make that leap...? I wonder?

Anyway apologies if that wasn't what you meant

PP;

I am well aware that immigration has it's benefits, of course it does, and I've never denied that. Immigrants who come into this country with skills that we need (doctors/nurses etc) are an asset...however, if you turn up at the airport (or beach) with abosolutely nothing to offer you should be kicked straight back out.

What you have to understand is that 1000's of immigrants who enter this country have nothing to offer us....they have no money, no skills, no nothing...all they do is put strain on our hospitals, schools and other services. As onager points out, the very same people who welcome immigrants will be the ones moaning when houses are built on green belt land, when their child can't get a place at the local school, and when their operation is cancelled....

I don't mean this to sound patronizing, but you seem a bit too over emotional to discuss politics...

Dp thats ridude and dismissive to PP.

On the beaches? So you do mean asylumseekers,then,as opposed to economic migrants through the more usual channels (Eu migration as the biggie).

How many do you think turn up on the beaches each day, really?

I'd support a review of the system of blanket EU migration- not becuase I want to but becuase of basic space and infrastructure reality. I'd love the country to be expandable. But there needs to be differentiation between those who turn up for gain from safe countries ( really safe, not just those atm on the HO lists)and those who come here becuase they fear for their lives and those of their famillies. That's the difference between regretful pragmatism and unethical cruelty.

(and of course we need an acceptance that should we stop accepting EU working age people, those Eu countries may well wish to send back our emigrated OAPs in return..... I certainly know a few that will be herecosting us a fair few quid having blown all their savings in Spain and France)