Proposed march through Wooton Bassett

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Initially saw this on the BBC but this link gives a bit more detail. I support everyone's right to free speech but ... dear goodness, this seems to be exceptionally bad taste. My DH is an army doctor and, during his time in a free Afgan clinic for civilians run by the army, saved many Afgan lives. He's going out there again in January. I can imagine I'd be incredibly distressed if he'd lost his life in the conflict and somebody wrote to me explaining what he'd 'really' died for. Ugh. Maybe it's just my personal bias, but I can't help feel that the proposed march is sited to cause maximum potential for violent conflict and to cause maximum hurt to those who are bereaved.

"There is a difference between suggesting humanitarian consideration and preventing speech-"

"you perhaps should consider that if you own posting prevents peoplesuch as Riv from participating,you may in some way be damaging that principle and need to tone things down."

Err there perhaps.

Freedom of speech means just that you have the freedom to speak what you are thinking, not saying what you are thinking curtails freedom of speech.

Hey PP, this is hilarious

'You can hide behind 'political views' but hatred and prejudice of your fellow man is far more serious than politics.'

It sounds like it has been cribbed from AliG.

You're wasted here-go into comedy.

Jesus Christ..

We can't provide every single immigrant in the world with food, shelter and money...

Forget politics, basic ecomonics should tell you that....

Are you trying to be patronising and defending a racist all at the same time?

"Surely your views DP would render many immigrants dead, repatriation and all that. Or is there a magic land all the non whites can go that will provide food, shelter and money?"

Actually they should not be allowed into this country in the first place. When escaping persecution they are supposed to ask for refuge in the first country them come to. Hardly us in most cases as shown by the camps in France (clue; they are in france!! obvious one of many countries they have come to before trying to get in here).

Secondly they do not need to be repatriated to their original country of orgin if there is a concern for their welbeing, just back to the first country they stepped into having left their native land.

to moon...

DP, Where did anyone post that we should feed every immigrant?

"DP, Where did anyone post that we should feed every immigrant? "

Are you saying we should not feed immigrants?

Not every immigrant worldwide....

Hehe PP,no need to expend any effort on my part.You are hoist by your own petard.
But, hey, carry on! It's amusing and cheers up a dull day.

"Not every immigrant worldwide.... "

Just the ones that illegally land on our shores and ask for refuge then?

When they have no right to do that?

I would prefer tbh that we feed our oap's and allow then a decent standard of living rather than take in people who should have sought refuge in another country.

Call me sentimental..

PP;

you asked me was there's a magic land that will provide food, shelter and money to all non-whites

Yes there is...it's called the UK.

Oh my God I have just realised I am surrounded by bigots....

Of course the millions we give these illegal immigrants (how do we do that as they can't be housed or given benefits) would definitely go to the OAPs if not them.

Ah!
There you are!

Atlantis they have every right to ask for refuge

That's how asylum works after all.

Whether they are entitled to get that awarded is of course another thing. I do believe in prompt deportation of peoplenot entitled to asylum- though am sceptical about many of the countries currently regarded as safe. I woulda bsolutely amrch in defense of the continued offer of the right to asylum where it is genuinely needed. Who knows, maybe my children will need to go elsewhere for asylum one day- stranger things have happened.

As for free speech being saying the first thing to enter your head- no it isn't. It's about being able to say that if you need to.

There is a massive gap between that and actually saying; as humans we are social animals and we generally intervene, its a social norm. Not intervening is part of several diagnoses. It ismy right togoin the garden now and tellmy neighbour to start dressing her age,I woudln't do it though.

There are ab great many things I do not say out of respect, manners and general kindness. That doesn't affect my freedom of speech one iota.

Moondog, the nasty tone of many of your posts make me not want to interact with you....I encountered people that acted like that at school. Sneering and patronising tones I like to avoid, especially when you really have no place.

Obviously I am crushed PP but I'll live with it.

'As for free speech being saying the first thing to enter your head- no it isn't. It's about being able to say that if you need to.'

Eh Peachy?? What are you on about and, more importantly, who decides what needs and needn't be said?

We alldecide for ourselvves and equally free speech meanswecan criticise for it

Iwas on about 'Freedom of speech means just that you have the freedom to speak what you are thinking, not saying what you are thinking curtails freedom of speech'

"Oh my God I have just realised I am surrounded by bigots...."

There are of course differing forms of bigotry, you for example are yourself a biggot against the BNP and there supporters.

"Of course the millions we give these illegal immigrants (how do we do that as they can't be housed or given benefits"

Actually it does cost millions to not only process and (lol) keep a check on these people as they go through the system each year, but prey tell, where do you think they live and what do you think they eat, not to mention the clothes they wear, this just magically appears does it? No need to pay for this no?

"Atlantis they have every right to ask for refuge"

As was pointed out to you, they have every right to ask for refuge in the first safe country they come to, we are not that country in most cases, so no they do not have the right to ask for refuge in the UK.

"I woulda bsolutely amrch in defense of the continued offer of the right to asylum where it is genuinely needed"

Agreed. But only if we are the first country they set foot in.

"As for free speech being saying the first thing to enter your head-"

I never said saying the first thing to enter your head, wouldn't that be torrettes (spelling?), I said saying what your thinking, if you think all white people should get a tan, you have the right to say it, if you think all foreigners should be deported, you have the right to say it, if you say all infidels should be beheaded, you don't.

"There are ab great many things I do not say out of respect, manners and general kindness. That doesn't affect my freedom of speech one iota. "

But that's your choice you should not impose your choices on others.

"Moondog, the nasty tone of many of your posts make me not want to interact with you....I encountered people that acted like that at school. Sneering and patronising tones I like to avoid, especially when you really have no place. "

This is exactly the reason I jumped back onto this post today, everyone was attacking DP like schoolyard bullies, ganging up on the person they don't like, or agree with, or is different to them.

As I said before I am a conservative, anyone who votes BNP or UKIP etc is placing Labour in a better position for another 5 years of dictatorship government, so I would much rather DP voted conservative grin and bought about change to this country (god knows we need it) but I am not going to brow beat her into changing her views and I get really miffed when other people try.

oops I linked when i should have -ed.

I am sure a racist and homophobe would be very much at home in the Tory party. DP has set herself up for mass condemnation hasn't she? She doesn't seem remotely ashamed to admit her prejudices and I think she enjoys the attention. I do not think illegal immigrants get food and shelter provided by the tax payer, they work damn hard for very little money and try to survive. We would all like to keep immigration legal, except of course for DP who would like to stop it altogether...how I would love to be a fly on the wall the next time she seeks assistance from the NHS.

"As I said before I am a conservative, anyone who votes BNP or UKIP etc is placing Labour in a better position for another 5 years of dictatorship government, so I would much rather DP voted conservative grin and bought about change to this country (god knows we need it) but I am not going to brow beat her into changing her views and I get really miffed when other people try."

Personally I've spoken to a number of people who said they were considering voting for the BNP because "something needs to be done about immigration."

I then talk about what some of the BNPs other policies, what those policies would mean to their families and about the views and statements that people in the BNP come out with.

Usually people then say something like "oh I didn't know that, how on earth could they believe that or do that to women? I'll not vote for them now."

What then seems to end up happening is that they say they're going to vote conservative, which I'd rather they wouldn't, but there you go.

I've yet to meet someone who was considering voting BNP who actually knew anything else about the part other than ther belief that they'll do "something" about immigration.

The BNP vote usually seems to be a protest vote about immigration rather than indicating a belief in the BNP view of the world.

So I do believe that people need to know what the BNP actually stand for and the characters involved in the party.

Which again is one reason why I'm keen for them to be on things like Question Time.

this has all started to not make sense, which usually I'd applaud but it has started to become even too weird for me

Where does DP's using the NHS come into it?

Respect for other people and their ability to hold personal political views should be fairly obvious

Whilst those views might be alien or abhorrent to you does not mean that there is a right to expect them to be ashamed

Also if you know someone is deliberately trying to get a rise out of you...maybe not rising might piss them off more