Man shoots himself, wife and daughter.

[Ewe]

How very sad

It's really near to where one of my good friends lives, he was just telling me about it. Utterly devastating for all there family and friends.

I don't know why he's done what he's done. But killing is killing - I really don't give a fuck what's happened to him to be honest.

I am willing to hear some more exploration about the whys and wherefores but I'm getting very bored of the 'tipped over the edge by the grief of being forbidden to see the wife and children he physically and emotionally abused' defence.

Well, if that's true I wish there was a hell so he could rot in it.

Look, these worthless pieces of shit who kill their children don't deserve any sympathy. WITHOUT EXCEPTION the reason their access to the children has been restricted is because of their previous violent, abusive behaviour.
Yes, decent men may suffer over not seeing their DC as much as they would like when a relationship ends but DECENT men do not then go on to kill the children. Because they are decent men.

All this 'poor man separated from his child' stuff is bollocks anyway, clearly he was having contact. And clearly that was a huge, horrible mistake.

Some parents should not be allowed near their child for that child's safety.

i see no sympathy extended to this vicious act

There are plenty of men and women who have oushed to the brink of despair by the unfairness if life. Moast of them do not resort to cold blooded murder and cowardly subsequent suicide.

I have absolutely no sympathy for this murderous brute. That poor woman who, if she is lucky enough to pull through, will have to wake up to be told her daughter has been killed. Christ, I wouldn't want to wake up.

That poor 4 year old denied the chance of a life.

Hideous.

oh bugger it, just wrote a very long post, but can't bring myself to post it as it's too close to the bone - but lets just say it was the

"But killing is killing - I really don't give a fuck what's happened to him to be honest."

and what I initially wrote that stirred up too much stuff.

Will hide thread and please for gods sake someone tell me to keep off these types of threads if I see them again, and the ones like the one about the British man that was executed in China today.

If the courts worked on the assumption that there has to be a bloody GOOD reason for a violent man (or woman) to have contact, rather than access being the default, that'd be a start. And any contact should be in a safe place where they can't harm the child or other parent.

Oh, I've been out all day, that poor man in China was killed? So terrible.

and obviously (before I do hide it) that article in the DM which claims he was a volatile man etc makes what I was going to write sort of redundant anyhow.

I guess if they separated 4 weeks ago courts hadn't even been involved yet

And yes he was executed this morning

edam - you totally misrepresent what I am saying. I am not presenting a male point of view. I am presenting a balanced logical human view that a tradgedy has happened and we must strive to understand why men do this kind of thing. It happens far too often. By definition this man went beyond a 'break point' at which rational thought processes ceased.

My view, for what it is worth is that all men have something within their psyche that makes them more prone to commit suicide and this is well proven by the statistics on suicide. Sometimes, that spills over into the killing of family members and members of the general public with resultant horrific tradgedy.

I want to know why and how can it be prevented not to excuse it?

ONe way to help prevent these awful cases would be to make it mandatory that, when there has been abuse, the perpetrator is not allowed unsupervised contact with the children. And should there be further abuse, contact should be stopped altogether. Abusive men should forfeit their rights to see their children, because the children's safety is far more important than the abuser's feelings.

I agree with SolidGold. My mother's friend's sister husband was horribly violent, he was granted access because the court thought it was a good idea (despite her protestations) and he killed her and their child. Perhaps that has tainted my POV but this is not some new phenomenon - men have been murdering 'their' women and children as the ultimate punishment for years related to access - that's just a convenient hat to hang these murders on. It's just that killing your wife and children wasn't ever considered important enough to report nationally twenty years ago.

This is just the worst kind of thing to read in the news. Also I have just read that the mother of the four yr old has also died...which may be for the best.Life for her would have been terrible after such a tragedy.
R.I.P to both Mummy and Daughter

'I get bored shitless by this poor sad little men who don't get to see their kids so they do nasty shit defense.'

Totally agree. No sympathy for the man at all. These men are not always denied access but are often controllers/abusive etc. Remember that awful case of the man who made the poor mother listen to her 4 boys dying, so sad and evil. That is not a distraught man but a vengeful one.

I don't think men should have unsupervised access if they have a history of violence.

OMG I just saw the little girls picture, so beautiful. RIP little Maisie. RIP Julie.

Hope that bastard rots in hell.
Good men fight for their children, would do anything for their children, they don't bloody kill them. Bastard Bastard Bastard!!!

ABD - I think men with a history of violence towards their partners can't be described as having reached breaking point when the bastards murder their children. It's just the ultimate extension of their existing behaviour. You can be perfectly sane and a bad person who chooses to do bad things and is fully responsible for your actions. It is faulty logic to work backwards from 'bad thing' and assume that means 'decent person unable to bear something that had happened to them.

"Breaking point" suggests sympathy, suggests that it was something external that pushed them into this against their will. A violent man (or woman) chooses to be violent. Unless their behaviour is to do with an existing mental illness (which is not to say many people with mental illness are violent, you are far more likely to be killed by a sane person).

Yes, we need to understand the violent behaviour of bastards, but first and more importantly we need to protect victims from the perpetrators. That means any parent with a history of violence should NOT have contact (let alone unsupervised) until they have addressed their shitty, evil behaviour, admitted and recognised that it was wrong, and proven they have changed, that their children and ex will be safe in their company.

Surely that is the very minimum that our legal system should enforce? Yet at the moment it is too ready to think 'children must see father' (as it is usually a man) trumps 'children must be safe'.

Men kill their wives and children because the women are finally fighting back and the men realise they are losing control.

I am getting increasingly angry about this being blamed on the court system and poor little men - I went through the court system fighting for custody/shared residence of DD - she lived with him all week during that time but he didn't want her at weekends - would eat into his drinking time (tells you what a great man he is/was) - and at times I felt like killing myself - add my sister losing a baby late in pregnancy and supporting her through that, redundancy, near bankruptcy and none of my family speaking to me - and you could see why I would step infront of a bus - but I never once thought of hurting my child - that was the farthest thing from my mind I was trying to save her from being brought up by such a controlling prick.