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Man shoots himself, wife and daughter.

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Ewe · 29/12/2009 14:04

How very sad

It's really near to where one of my good friends lives, he was just telling me about it. Utterly devastating for all there family and friends.

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LadyBiscuit · 29/12/2009 21:52

yreblurt - no it isn't related at all. So why bring it up?

Anyway, how absolutely awful. Why do people have guns at all?

StewieGriffinsMom · 29/12/2009 22:04

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yerblurt · 29/12/2009 22:14

LadyBiscuit - because it's a very tragic thing that has affected us over the xmas period. Why not bring it up?

StewieGriffinsMom · 29/12/2009 22:19

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mrsjammi · 29/12/2009 22:23

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5ringinginthenewyear · 29/12/2009 22:28

How terribly sad. Breaks my heart reading things like this.

LadyBiscuit · 29/12/2009 22:31

I'm sorry but I find it hard to garner any sympathy for a man who murders his wife and children because his marriage has broken up. Call me callous ...

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scottishmummy · 29/12/2009 22:34

dear god poor mother,hope she gets adequate support

ABetaDad · 29/12/2009 22:45

mrsjammi - what you said is correct. It is not necessarily about a 'violent controlling man'. This is about someone who did a terrible and indefensible thing after being pushed beyond breaking point by something at a very difficult time of year for family relationships. It is a horrible tradgedy.

nannynick · 29/12/2009 22:46

It isn't the first time this sort of thing has happened in the area. In 2001 there was a similar shooting in Camberley (about 2 miles from where I live) - News Report (WARNING: 2 young children died)

I do agree that you don't tend to hear of women killing their entire family, though that does not mean a women wouldn't do it.

How do these people get hold of a firearm? I'm a bloke, I haven't got a gun. I expect you haven't got a gun, nor your partner.
We all however do have a sharp knife available in our kitchen... a lethal weapon waiting to be used (to cut bread).

Missus84 · 29/12/2009 22:48

Pushed beyond breaking point by his wife having the audacity to leave him perhaps Well, quite understandable...

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LadyBiscuit · 29/12/2009 22:51

I'll go a bit further actually and say that I think being sympathetic legitimises this kind of mass murder. Revolting

MollieO · 29/12/2009 22:58

According to the latest I've read he was apparently a very violent man.

WickedWench · 29/12/2009 22:59

Absolutely tragic. Every time I hear a story like this on the news - and there are far too many - I wonder whether this involves someone from here with a horrendous thread in relationships.

There are some truly sick fuckers out there.

LordPanofthePeaks · 29/12/2009 22:59

I don't think anyone is expressing sympathy here, just a degree of analytical thinking, and the element to explain why a man would kill all of a family incl. himself.

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ABetaDad · 29/12/2009 23:05

nannynick - a surprisingly large number of people have guns. Some legally, some not. Without access to a gun maybe this would not have happened. As police investigators say means - motive - opportunity.

scottishmummy · 29/12/2009 23:06

an element of exploratory thinking about human condition isnt excusing heinous behaviour.some of you need to learn difference between exploratory thinking and exonerating behaviours

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edam · 29/12/2009 23:09

Oh that poor, poor woman. How utterly dreadful to survive when your dd has been killed.

ABD, I know you always try to argue the male point of view, but there is no reason - yet - to say he had been 'pushed beyond breaking point'. That suggests someone else - his wife - is to blame for his actions. Adults are entitled to end relationships without fearing that the other parent will be so vicious they murder the child.

I honestly think it's ruddy unfair to most men, especially separated or divorced parents, to bracket them with this sort of crime. (Although obv. we have to wait and see what comes out of the investigation, of course.) It is possible, for instance, that he was a violent man and his wife had left in order to escape his beatings, rather than him being 'pushed beyond breaking point'. We don't yet know. But the most dangerous time for a woman who flees from a violent relationship is when she ends it.

Family annihilators (if it does eventually emerge that he falls into that category) are violent, savage people who would rather murder their children than lose control of their family. Mostly men although not always. There is a distinct pattern of behaviour leading up to this act that makes them quite different from the sort of parent who acts in despair, from mental illness or imagining they are sparing their child from suffering.

Anyway, all the public definitely knows at this stage is that this is a horrible tragedy that has some hallmarks of a family annihilator. And that this poor woman will suffer the most terrible grief for the rest of her life, God bless her.

LordPanofthePeaks · 29/12/2009 23:09

no SGsMoom - point to any sympathy here, and I will eat my laptop. Though I dispute little of what you say.

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