The sad case of Meredith Kercher

[FreeGeorgeJackson]

I feel for her parents. The trial seems to have gone on for ages doenst it?
I cant see ( form what i read) how kNox will get off.

"You are making a direct comparison between DNA evidence from the various murderers to argue the innocence of two of them."

Yes - because Guede's DNA was found immediately at the scene of the crime, and the DNA of the others was found much later and in circumstances that cannot disprove contamination!

Dittany, there is NO evidence that AK and RF were in the room when Meredith was killed. Apart from the highly contentious "abundant" DNA on the clasp. IIRC several people's DNA was found on that. Were they all on trial? Do we even know who they are?

Put it this way. AK and RS were decided to be involved at a point where there was no forensic evidence to connect them to the crime. Guede was arrested when his fingerprints were found at the crime scene. And he didn't mention them at all when he was arrested. Because they weren't there!

"There were five instances of Amanda Knox?s blood or DNA mixed with Meredith?s blood in three different locations in the cottage: in three places in the bathroom (on the ledge of the basin, on the bidet, and on a box of Q Tips cotton swabs), in the hallway, and in Filomena?s bedroom.

Dr. Stefanoni testified that it would have been ?strange? that three traces of blood with both Meredith?s and Amanda Knox?s DNA would have been left at different times.

There were no DNA or other physical traces of Rudy Guede in the "bloody" bathroom."

If AK and RS were at the cottage at the time of the murder, but didn't participate, why not say so? Sure, it wouldn't look good, but as things stand they're looking at murder convictions with 25 year jail terms. Yet still they keep silent. Why?

Why have neither of them managed to come up with a coherent account of where they were and what they were doing from around 8pm on the night of the murder until the time the postal police arrived at around 12.35pm the following day?

About the bra, Micheli 's report doesn't mention any other biological evidence except Sollecito's on the clasp, and Guede on the side of the bra. Sollecito's forensic expert claimed to have found Knox's DNA on the bra.

Where does the idea that there were traces of at least five sets on DNA on the bra come from?

"If AK and RS were at the cottage at the time of the murder, but didn't participate, why not say so? Sure, it wouldn't look good, but as things stand they're looking at murder convictions with 25 year jail terms. Yet still they keep silent. Why?"

they weren't there? that would be why. I personally don't believe they were there at all.

Am still not sure wher this idea that there was Knox's blood mixed with Meredith's blood found at the scene. Tryejustice still say this but IIRC it's just not true.

And strange coincidence, don't you think, that AK decided to falsely accuse a black man of murdering Meredith, given that Guede is black?

what an odd thing to say.

"Sollecito's forensic expert claimed to have found Knox's DNA on the bra."

what's the source for this? I understood that "Neither Sollecitos nor Knoxs DNA was found on the remainder of the bra, other items of Kerchers clothing, objects collected from Kerchers room, or in samples from her body" a source

This? here?

the headline seems to say something completely different to the body of the story. Strange.

""The analysis of the profile [found on the bra] in our opinion shows clearly the presence of at least three individuals," according to forensic expert Francesco Vinci, retained by Mr Sollecito's legal team.

There was a "mix" of DNA with the strongest trace from Miss Kercher but also traces from other individuals, both male and female, making it "impossible or nearly impossible" to draw any firm conclusions from the evidence, said Professor Vinci. "

My source is the Micheli report. Yours? Some scientists in America who have no involvement in the case?

[http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/C343/ this]] translation of parts of the report does say "On that clasp and its inch of fabric is the DNA of Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox." (they are talking about the bra clasp not the bra) yet was this presented at court by the prosecution months after the Micheli report was published? I have only ever read reports and testimony relating to Sollecito's DNA being on the bra clasp.

sorry this

oh - forgot, can you link to the Micheli report and specifically the bit where it says Sollecito's forensic expert claimed to have found Knox's DNA on the bra?

In what way is it "odd" to point out the "coincidence" that Patrick Lumumba (who AK falsely accused, both orally and in writing) and Guede both happen to be black?

Let's be generous to AK and assume 10% of Perugia's population is black. Accuse someone at random - 10% chance of accusing a black person. Similarly, all thinbgs being equal, there is a 10% chance of a black person being the perpetrator. So the probability of randomly accusing a black person, and of the perpetrator happening to be black is 1%.

Unlikely, but not impossible. What a coincidence.

MK looked very beautiful in that video. Some revolting comments though

You know what? I can't be a*sed to post any more tomight.

Basically, it doesn't matter what you or I or anyone else posting here thinks about the evidence. AK, RS and RG have all been convicted of Merdith's murder (appeals notwithstanding). There's no point saying things haven't been proven "beyond reasonable doubt" because the guilty verdicts (agreed unanimously) say they have.

True, we will wait to see the basis on which this verdict was reached and which parts of the prosecution's theories have been accepted, which rejected.

It's almost laughable seeing your constant refrain "give me some evidence.... no, I mean, apart from that".

She was absolutely beautiful. You can see why knox was jealous of her.

I had bowed out of this thread too scarlet - it just keeps going round and round making the same points over again.

I think she's guilty but I concede that there SEEM to be flaws in the evidence. I'm going to wait and see what the full report says when it's published.

"You know what? I can't be a*sed to post any more tomight." scarletlilybug, a link to bit of the Micheli report about Knox's DNA on the bra would be appreciated though, before you go.

It's a bit unfairo f you to dismiss my sources in such an unfriendly way and yet be so unprepared to provide yours.

Here you go: The Micheli report.

What is your main source? Let me guess.... Friends of Amanda Knox.

Can I just ask DF, do you really believe AK to be innocent, or just that the evidence was too flawed for a successful prosecution to take place?

Surely the highly expert defence lawyers (possibly the best that money can buy) will have gone through all the evidence in as detailed a manner as you,and discounted it, and would have then been able to convince the jury of her and RS's innocence?

Can I just ask DF, do you really believe AK to be innocent, or just that the evidence was too flawed for a successful prosecution to take place?

Surely the highly expert defence lawyers (possibly the best that money can buy) will have gone through all the evidence in as detailed a manner as you,and discounted it, and would have then been able to convince the jury of her and RS's innocence?