The sad case of Meredith Kercher

[FreeGeorgeJackson]

I feel for her parents. The trial seems to have gone on for ages doenst it?
I cant see ( form what i read) how kNox will get off.

I agree with londonlottie.

I commented on this thread at very beginning because have daughter same age etc and have followed all the arguments for and against in this 'debate' and have obviously annoyed some by suggesting the thread title should be changed.

I am sorry that Bucharest got the flack for my comment earlier but I do, in all seriousness, think the debate here is not about MK but about AK.

I will say again the whole case is very distressing for all concerned.

I think the Kercher family have been highly dignified throughout the whole proceedings.

The Knox family believe their daughter, why wouldn't they?

As parents, imagine yourself in either of their positions. It is utterly ghastly.

As far as this thread goes, it is only people's opinions, nothing else.

Well it is quite understandable to me that neither sets of parents can be "objective" in this situation. Why should we expect them to be? One set has had to face the fact that their daughter was cruelly murdered, the other, that their daughter is apparently an evil, murdering harlot.

They both sent their beloved children off to Italy, to expand their minds, improve their prospects, to have some fun. The outcome of this is truly a tragedy to ALL concerned.

The Kercher family HAVE to trust in the prosecution to get justice, what else can they do? Do they want to believe that the police and officials are playing games with the total nightmare that is their precious daughter's murder? Of course not! That way madness lies!

Sadly, my belief is that the prosecutor decided who was guilty and why, long before any evidence to support the theory was presented. He has stuck to that rigidly.

I am with DF, in that I sincerely hope that the attempts to place the blame firmly with AK and RS will not help Rudy Guede in his forthcoming appeal. The evidence squarely puts him in the room, and I cannot believe that he hid in the toilet after consensual sex with MK, whilst the others killed her - which is what he now claiming. That would be the ultimate tragedy!

and what would you do dittany if you felt your daughter had been accused of a heinous crime that she didn't commit and may face a life sentence in prison for it?

i would do exactly what they've done.

you pounce on anyone who believes the verdict is questionable if they even mention the Kercher family but it's ok to be sneering of their efforts to raise public awareness of what they perceive to be an injustice?

it's not a competition over who's got the moral highground here.

a girl has been killed brutally and i'm sure everyone commenting on this thread wants justice to be done for her.

"Knox's father has been conducting a campaign on behalf of a murderer, maybe understandably given that it's his daughter"

Well of course he would Dittany. This is his little girl. There is NO evidence that she was in the room when MK was killed. There is DNA on the handle of a knife that she had used for cooking. And DNA in a bathroom that she used everyday. And some behaviour that the media has considered to be strange.

If that was your child, would you not do everything in your power to protect them? I don't understand why this is seen to be "dirty tricks".

it is sneering.

and they're not pretending it was a biased trial- in their opinion IT WAS a biased trial.

and i agree.

not because she's american. because painting a picture of a scarlet woman who manipulated gullible men into raping and murdering her friend and flatmate suited the police and prosecution's elaborate theory... a theory they decided was factual before even arresting Rudy Guede.

his presence was inconvenient to the story but that was soon remedied by a closed and fast tracked trial with plea bargain.

the less attention on him the better really, after all we only know that he was DEFINATELY there and most definately had sexual contact with her, almost definately against her will. we only know he had a history of breaking into properties armed with a knife and also of harassing women and stealing from their handbags. we only know that even his 'adopted father' branded him a liar.

lets not focus on him, lets put all our attention on the girl who we can't prove was in the room. the girl who had no motive to do such a horrendous thing to someone she liked. a girl who had no history of hurting ANYONE. EVER. a girl who up until 8.40pm on that night was witnessed to be at her boyfriend's flat and had just had her evening shift cancelled at the last minute.

nothing to do? i know, i'll pop round to my flat and brutully torture and murder her. FOR NO REASON. with a knife from my boyfriend's flat, which i'll put back in the knife-drawer again afterwards. then i think i'll hang about with a mop the next morning. in daylight, so everyone can see me.

let's also not focus on the policeman who chose that specific knife from RS using only his 'police intuition'. he had a pick of several similar knives yet, thankgoodness, his third eye vibrated when glancing at that particular, wholly unremarkable one. no need to test any of the other knives in the drawer.....no- that would be too scientific. let us not even think twice about the bra clasp kicking around the floor for almost 7 weeks, being picked up and put down again, as recorded on film. never mind that it was photographed separately lying on two different sides of the room over those 7 weeks. no- it's not important. after all, AN did cartwheels at the police station and owns a vibrator...

etc etc

So Dittany, you have talked much about Amanda Knox. What do you believe is the situation with Rudy Guede, who has no rich parents to attempt to influence public opinion? What did he do/not do? What part did he have to play in all of this?

'joining in' with me I think LL. As I am sure it is me who has 'picked apart' the words of Mrs
Kercher. FWIW I agree with a lot of what you say LL.

Well as the knife was not consistent with all the injuries and the DNA evidence is in question, as already stated a million times on this thread, I have to discount it. The bra clasp had the DNA of 4 or 5 different people on it. Did Stefanoni explain how the rest of them got there? An why was there no other DNA found in the room, other than Guede's that is?

The other housemates never had their footprints taken so the true owner of any prints found cannot be proven 100%. And of course AK lived in the house and used the bathroom everyday. Of course her DNA is present.

It doesn't seem as if it can be proven beyond all reasonable doubt that they are guilty. I wonder if the jury found them guilty largely on their odd and conflicting statements?

What about pathologists evidence that this was an attack by multiple assailants?

What about evidence from a witness, that she had heard a scream, followed by multiple sets of footsteps running away?

What about evidence of a clean-up afterwards? Who could possibly have had a motive to clean-up the crime scene?

What about evidence of a staged burglary?

What about the repeated lies and inconsistencies in AK's and RS's alibis and doings for that night and the following morning? (One example, out of the many I could give, is that they both claimed to have slept in until around 10am, yet phone records show them both turning on their phones at around 6am).

What about the fact that they lied about having called the police before they arrived (as confirmed by CCTV, phone records and RS himself)? Inspector Battistelli testified that Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito looked ?embarrassed and surprised? when the officers found them standing outside the cottage.

What about AK's three phone calls to Meredith Kercher?s phones (at 1207, 1211 and again at 1211). (Amanda claimed that Meredith?s Italian phone ?just rang and rang? ? but phone records show that it rang for just three seconds.) Does anyone really ring off so quickly, not even bothering to leave a message, when they are worried about the person they're calling?

What about AK knowing the manner of MK's death before the results of the autopsy had been made public? Mr Mignini asked Knox on 17 December 2007 how she could possibly have known this if she was not actually there. AK began to cry, and refused to answer the question.

What about AK knowing where Meredith had been murdered (which was not the same place as where her body was found)?

What about AK's blood, mixed with Meredith's being found in the bathroom they shared (none of Guede's DNA was found in that bathroom)?

What about Amanda's footprints, set in Merediths' blood, found in two places in the hallway of the new wing of Meredith?s house. One print was exiting her own room, and one print was outside Meredith?s room, facing into the room. These bloody footprints were only revealed under luminol.

What about a woman?s bloody shoeprint which matched AK?s foot size, found on a pillow under Meredith?s body?

What about the knide, found in RS's kitchen, with Meredith's DNA on the tip, and AK's on the handle? What about RS's implicit admission that it was indeed Meredith's DNA, in concocting the cooking accident story? What about evidence that this knfe had been scrubbed with bleach? The knife from RS's apartment was compatible with the deep puncture wound on Meredith?s neck. This was a point that even the defence forensic experts conceded.

What about the mixture of Knox?s DNA and Meredith?s blood that was found in Filomena?s room? Yet AK never claimed that she entered Filomena?s room when she checked the cottage. This room was the scene of the alleged break-in, and there were glass fragments on the floor. Meredith?s blood had been cleaned up in this room, but it was nevertheless revealed by luminol.

AK's own words: "Everything I have said in regards to my involvement in Meredith?s death, even though it is contrasting, are the best truth that I have been able to think." (Voluntary handwritten note to police 6 November; she was continuing to accuse Patrick Lumumba at this stage).

'What about AK knowing the manner of MK's death before the results of the autopsy had been made public? Mr Mignini asked Knox on 17 December 2007 how she could possibly have known this if she was not actually there. AK began to cry, and refused to answer the question.'

I didn't know that. Have you a link to that info?

It was something like, when AK & the other housemates were at the police station early on, one of the others said she hoped Meredith didn't suffer & AK said "what do you think, she f*king bled to death". Or words to that effect.

this is interesting - esp the locked door:

'Other witnesses have testified that Knox earlier told those present that it was not unusual for Kercher to lock her room. But Romanelli said: "Meredith always left her door unlocked."'

Why would AK make that up?

& the washing machine:

'when she returned to the house they shared on 2 November 2007 the washing machine was warm. She later identified most of the clothes inside as those of the victim'