Please uncover your face-Matthew Parrish

[mrsruffallo]

Interesting article here
I have noticed that there are more women covering up in the last few years.
Any opinions?

What do you mean, nitpick?
I am asking about the reasons and justification for covering the head or face which was the original point of the thread.

nd re
'Less than the requirement for women, but that's nothing unusual is it?'

In my culture,I have been taught that this is not acceptable.

What tribe is that then Riven?

Things like that become part of the culture rasputin, like the kosher rules for food.

"In my culture,I have been taught that this is not acceptable. "

I have just told you how it happens in your culture too. There are tribes where women don't have to cover up any more than men, they'd probably be at the inequality here.

You did not ask for the reason or justification for covering, you asked why it was different for men and women. And I told you, that men and women are different and all cultures have their own thinking about what is acceptable for each.

'norks are sexual in every culture and therefore women cover them.' - this isn't quite true, is it? I can think of quite a few African and Pacific tribes in which women wander around norks-out.

'You did not ask for the reason or justification for covering, you asked why it was different for men and women.'

Gosh, and there's silly little me with my background in Linguistics thinking it was the same thing. Must be a gal thing.

True, I grew up in PNG.#
Tits everywhere.

From a behavioural perpective, the more you hide away from horrid uncouth men with their primitive sexual urges, the worse they become.

You actually encourage this undesirable behaviour, not alleviate it. The fact that you fail to address the root cause of the issue (men being uncontrollable satyrs) speaks volumns.

Dunno riven - I'm sure there must be a few anthropology PhDs out there on that very subject!

"Gosh, and there's silly little me with my background in Linguistics thinking it was the same thing. Must be a gal thing."

Oh is this a competition, should I be mentioning my qualifications too? . It is not the same thing at all anyway.

Am off now, will come back to this when I'm on next if it's still going.

Of course it is.
What kind of bonkers reply is that????

I hate the veil. Not because it seems to me a symbol of misogyny (although I think that too) but because I cannot form a relationship with a woman wearing a veil. It is saying that you do not wish to engage with the people around you. Riven I know that women who wear the veil take it off when they are indoors and there are no men around. I just cannot ever imagine getting to know a woman wearing a veil well enough to ever visit her home or her mine. It's divisionist and that makes me sad

The original tourism to Bali was driven by the bare-breasted locals. Still occurs among the oldest women but died out among the younger generation.

Here are some early 20th century postcards illustrating this:

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The rather distant (Christian) Sumatra:

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(huge amounts of their culture has been destroyed in the last century, the ear rings for instance are no longer in use, and the traditional written language and religion are both dying.

The original tourism to Bali was driven by the bare-breasted locals. Still occurs among the oldest women but died out among the younger generation.

Here are some early 20th century postcards illustrating this:

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The rather distant (Christian) Sumatra:

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(huge amounts of their culture has been destroyed in the last century, the ear rings for instance are no longer in use, and the traditional written language and religion are both dying.

When I've travelled around desert and sandy countries I have covered my hair and face from the sand, and washed my feet several times a day, from pure necessity. It makes perfect sense.
It doesn't make so much sense to have to cover all but your eyes in London.

There was a documentary on a while ago with a young muslim girl who enjoys dressing modestly and wearing her scarves (you can see her face though).....she said she feels sorry for western girls and how they are oppressed by men in that they seem to feel the need to dress to impress......I see her point there.

I agree spicemonster. I also think that if any men were expected to wear a face covering for whatever reason, there would be many restrictions on where they could do so, as it is very intimidating. I don't think bronze and I can be the only people scared of masked people in any context. I always remember those zovirax adverts with the woman wearing a motorcycle helmet everywhere as being terrifying.

fluffles/spicemonster - yes I do find it a barrier and I do find the women who wear them do not make eye contact.

I noticed this in London and would never have spoken to any of the veiled Saudi women I used to see in London. Mainly because it would have possibly put them in danger of severe criticism from people other Saudi men/women for talking to a Western man.

I would also have been worried about offending her. In essence then the veil creates a total barrier that makes it clear it would be inappropriate for me to talk to them.

Incidentally, I worked in the oil industry for a long time and never felt the same about talking to a Saudi man and they seemed to have no trouble talking to Western women.

To my mind the veil is much more than just a symbol of religious observance. It is desiged to be a barrier to communication.