Girl, 2, drowned in her buggy after father let go to kiss mistress

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what a bastard

well bravo to all you mothers who have never had a pushchair roll away from them because they've forgotten to put the brakes on

I'm just recalling reading the original report when it first happened, and not many details were known, and I do actually remember thinking "How could that possibly have happened if the parent was right there? Did the brakes fail?" Because I just couldn't imagine anyone leaving a pram unattended right by the water's edge.

i'm with faq, i dont think i ever used the brakes on dds pram, guess i'm just a terrible mum

If he was negligent, that is to say if he knowingly put his child in danger, then the death of that child should not preclude him from being held to account, and the same would apply if it was a mother.

I think the man who allowed his 7 year old a quadbike was rightly held accountable for his daughter's death for instance.

I think the Mccanns should have been held accountable for their daughter's disappearance, as they knowingly put her in danger...

And if this man knowingly parked a buggy on a slope and deliberately didn't put the break on, then he was negligent and should be held to account.

But if it was a mere mistake, i.e. if he took his hand off the buggy for just a second and it was a tragic accident, then his personal life is no-one's business but his, and his family's.

There's a difference, though FAQ... You KNOW there is. We've all done some things as mums when you look back and thing 'thank FUCK for that'... My DS fell out of his car seat at around 5 weeks old cos I forgot to strap him in ... but you don't FORGET about them. You don't get caught up in that moment which, as I said, is probably what puts the pressure on the relationship in the first place.

I'm not blaming anyone - it WAS an accident, but it's hard to see how a mother would have forgotten a pushchair was there.

I'm sorry, but while I'd never think of being perfect, I do ALWAYS have my son at the front of my mind.

But FAQ and nancy76, look at that picture in the Daily Mail link. Would you honestly not take extra care with a buggy on that path? It's all exposed, there is NOTHING between the path and the sea. Only sheer stupidity would cause you not to keep a fucking TIGHT hold of a pram in those circumstances.

Its a horrible story and very sad for all involved. Im quite sure that nobody involved would have dreamed this could happen but also, having been on the receiving end of affairs, am aware that often people engaging in adultery are so caught up in their own excitement that they simply dont see the possible consequences of what they are doing. It is just very very sad. They have not only lost a child but I suspect his poor wife will also lose her husband and him his family

How tragic. As others have said he could have let go of the buggy to embrace the mother or to pass the chjild a drink - for any reason really.

A good few years back i took my children ice skating where the entrance is on top of a very steep and windy hill ( as in winding round not windy). A gust of wind blew the singel ( umbrella type ) buggy out of my hand and down teh windy hill. In panic I screamed and ran after it - it was also a sheer drop on one side ofthe hill down a mountain type cliff.

I was so thankful to see that the buggy with dd inside had been whisked along the windy hill downwards and then smashed into a tree hanging over the cliff but had not travelled further down the hill ( where it would have met a car and been too late as windy hill of blind bends) or or travelled over the cliff but had been cuaght by the tree. buggy was destrtoyed and dd was slightly injured but nlthing compared to what could have happened.

I do agree with WannaBe about the the McCanns though. You NEVER leave your kids alone, unattended, if you can't SEE all open entrances / exits.

I have a pretty massive garden, and won't even leave the baby in the house when I walk to the bottom of the garden, cos I can't see the door from there.

It's just not something you do. Even on holiday.

so where have these high winds suddenly come from???

I've seen no mention of them in any of the 25 reports I've just scan read....

freak gust of wind
rolled down slop
wave

and you know what - I don' even like to think back at some of the other places that I've suddenly become aware of a pushchair rolling away from me towards a dangerous situation has occured over the last 8yrs.

Go on - shoot me now - I'm a crap mum because I frequently forget to put the brakes on the pushchair or pram.

Witnesses were unable to explain how the group came to be in the water but said that conditions were calm

Police sources said that he and his mistress, believed to be a work colleague and family friend, had been completely honest about how the events had unfolded

faq, do you want to join 'crap mums r us ' with me?

amazing how this story was reported at the weekend yet has only been commented on since the mistress has been mentioned?

Why were people not judging at the weekend when it was reported?

Bloody hello, lisalisa, that is TERRIFYING! What a nightmare, thank god your DD was fine.

But the difference here is that you say the wind blew the buggy OUT OF YOUR HAND.

Seems to be different in these circumstances. Unless it's been misreported. Wouldn't you want to sue any newspaper who claimed that you'd let go of the buggy when you actually hadn't, though?

You aren't a crap mum, and you know it, FAQ ....

Yes, it does sometimes happen.

But, as a second wife, (and what my DH's ex likes to call the OW - even though I wasn't, but it makes her feel a heck of a lot better), I know I do go out of my WAY to make sure that my DSDs don't come to any harm. I'm less stressy now, but when they were little (we've been together for 10 years and the kids are 11 and 14), I wouldn't let them out of my sight. I could'nt contmplate the idea of how their mum would feel.

I suppose that colours my view.

I don't want to judge, just say let's all take care real care near the sea.

I don't know this spot but I did use to live on the NE coast. Every year there would be storms and a road in Scarboro would be closed to cars. Every year people would go down there on foot - so, not safe in a car, but fine on foot

People would be swept away and die, I'm afraid.

I've been on the pier at Whitby with my DC and boy oh boy did I hold their hands tight.

I'm far from perfect but I wouldn't let go of them on an open path with a sheer drop to deep water, no.

But the main thing is that a little girl is dead and her poor family will never be the same again - and that makes me feel so so

but do we know?

Do we know the state of their marriage?

I imagine they have more pressing things on their minds than suing the papers atm, but even if they do come to that point, the damage has already been done hasn't it?

terrible story, but i do think that the mistress thing is relevant because it takes the pain of the mother to unfathomable depths. had he not betrayed her, the child would not have died. just terrible. and with an eight month old baby as well, the sleazy fucker.

and no, you know... i think that most people in high winds would park their buggy away from a 15 foot drop. i rarely agree with the hang em high brigade on here but this is a damning story.

The thing is we would all like to think we would do something the right way but that does not mean we would. Most people have acknowledged that, if they were going to leave the buggy they would (hopefully) have put the brakes on, but what about if it were for a second - which is all it takes? Say, he is holding the buggy, kissing the woman then there is a but of wind which blows her hair over his face, he reaches up to move her hair, gust blows a bit stronger and hey presto...

You are not seriously telling me, even all you "careful" mothers would have put the brake on for something like that? I know it is speculation but really, are you all so quick to apportion blame that you cannot, for a second, see that there may be something more understandable to this?

Having said that, looks the the papers have done their work, Pitchfork Sharpener anyone?

perhaps it is relevant to the wife.

But why do we need to know?

Why?

It makes me sad, too, Clary, & so did the poor little girl who died in the quad bike accident, but it also makes me angry, because both girls would still be alive but for the stupidity of their fathers - these weren't "freak" accidents, they were avoidable

"In fact, it was probably her devotion to the kids that led the hubby to look elsewhere."

Wow. Do we really read that, above. Where do we stop the speculating upon speculation??

One of dd's mum's 'habits' was to do compromising things, like walking out in the road as if it was her right of way, premised on the fact she had our very young dd in her arms/in a buggy, and so blessed her with certain rights. And encouraging to 'play' with dogs of ours and friends. I used to be in apoplexy!!

and I fear that if it was the mum with her illict beau she wouldn't be being lashed, here or anywhere else, like this bloke is being.