Demonstration against Israeli bombing of Gaza in London on Saturday.

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If anyone is intersted.

It's at 12.30pm along Embankment, nearest tubes Embankment and Charing Cross.

It's being organised by Palestinian Solidarity Campaign, Stop the War Coaltion and numerous other groups.

I will bump this sporadically, but if anyone else would like to help promote this, plaese bump too.

I will be there.

Saadia - I did say above I had compassion for the innocents being killed in Gaza. Please read that post.

Kate - it is not racist to say that Jews cannot live safely side by side with the other nations of the world. Just a simple historical fact. We have been persecuted for centuries by the majority of the nations we have resided in. Why is that racist? From your posts I deduce that you would rather the Jewish religion not be a separate entity but more blend in to be one with the nations of the world. This will not happen whilst Jews practice Judaism as they always will contine to do.

Kate - you have also not commented on my experiences or my father's in the SWP. I would love to tell you who he was and wait for collective intake of breath here but I dare not. One reason rev why I didnt respond to CATS on this occasion.

It is actually a paradox to me how Jewish people can march in support of a cause backed and championed and lead by a group voicing destruction of world Jewry and the declared intentino of killing Jewish kids. Surely at the most basic level its self defeating? It also makes no sense to say "well, we're not marching for Hamas - we're just marching to protest against Israel". Who are you benefitting by marching if not Hamas? Who elected Hamas? Jew lovers?

It's all ME, ME, ME isn't it LisaLisa?

Unless she has a split personality. Who is Lislisa supposed to post for, apart from herself?

I'm reading between the lines, hence my conclusion.

one post, it will be hard to find.

LisaLisa
Why can one not march in protest at the violence in Gaza and the killing of civilians without you interpreting it as supporting Hamas?
The majority of the Palestinians in Gaza who were eligible to vote voted for Hamas - yes.
But many of those who voted did not vote for Hamas. Not to mention all those who did not have a vote - the children for instance. I cannot lump them all together into one amorphous 'palestinian-hamas' entity.
Any more than I can lump all Israelis into one mass - or all Jews.
So you are wrong. I will not descend to invective.

Well, I can perfectly well see why people mught not want Israel to bomb Gaza.

"Humanitarian" issues aside, I can see videos of what is happening now being used to recruit terrorists across the Arab world to fight against Israel and her allies. In other words, I'm by no means convinced that the current offensive will have the desired effect.

Donk - who asked you to descend into anything. Fact remains that you march in favour of palestinians and their elected government Hamas. You cant choose to march in favour of the kids and no-one else. You really can't.

Sexymotherfunker - eh?

yes scarletlillybug - apparantly there are 70,000 in Iran alone who have volunteered to be suicide bombers. Let's see whether they make a distinction between those who march for Hamas in London and those who don't ( actually god forbid they should succeed - may we never know whether they planned any distinctions - but the point is there).

LisaLisa - No LisaLisa, that is merely your interpretation of my acts.
And not an accurate one.

Donk - what do you mean?

you are right there scarlet: it is generating hatred and creating suicide bombers across the globe right now. Many of the children orphaned or maimed by Israeli bombs will dedicate their lives to the destruction of Israel and its inhabitants and political friends. This is not hysteria - this is fact. All you have to do is read the readers' comments pages on the various news websites to see the effect.

It is all so, so timely though: to invade as Bush draws his last breath as Us President, knowing he has never given a shit about Palestine, and before Obama is sworn in - just in case he DOES give a shit.

But Donk.

The march was in protest against the Israeli bombing of Gaza. Israel is trying to destroy the Hamas fighters who are launching rockets at their civilians. If you march, you are marching to prevent Israel's attempts to stop Hamas.

What I said some time ago.
I went to a vigil against the violence - that remembers the dead/injured on both sides.
Just as on Remembrance Day I remember the dead of all the wars with a white poppy.

Donk- if you went to a vigil that eremembers the daed on all sides then that is fine.I thought you said you were marching to demonstrate against Israel which is something different.

donnie, I wouldn't hold your breath about that. I can't see Obama doing one thing differently.

I would have joined a march to stop the violence on both sides.

Donk - you will never , ever get lisalisa or bubble99 to move on this. 'You march for Palestine and you march for Hamas' (and you are an anti semite) - they have said this over and over and over.......I wouldn't bother if I were you. Someone else even said that Bianca Jagger and Annie Lennox were deliberately stirring anti semitism by going on the marches.

Christ this thread goes in circles.

lol, btw, at Sarkozy who described the rocket attacks on Israel as 'inappropriate'.

Inappropriate???

no - sadly KayHarker, neither can I.

This has been one of the most interesting posts I have read on MN to date, and both my dh and myself have learned a lot about the reasons and politics of this war. I will admit that 24 hours ago I knew very little about Israel and the Gaza strip.

I am not going to comment on the wrong and right of either side, but one thing I will say, after watching the pictures of the dead children on the news last night, which moved me to tears, they are only children and they didn't choose to be involved, why should they suffer like this ???

As a society, how can we stand by and watch this happen ?

donnie. Annie Lennox did have a nasty divorce, apparently. and a much needed

And if I think that the way in which Israel is attempting to stop Hamas firing rockets is a self-defeating mistake which will drive more moderate Palestinians to the political extreme, and in so doing kill many innocent civilians, and can only propagate the cycle of violence then I see nothing wrong with objecting to it!
Nor has anything you have said (and I 'listened' attentively) convinced me to the contrary on this. (Although I have agreed with a number of other points)