BNP members list has been leaked.- and I just got it in my inbox!

[noonki]

I just recieved an email containing all of the BNP members list, complete with phone numbers and address.

The story has been reported in the press online today:
here

Not sure what to do with it - teacher and a policewoman are on the list but kids are too.

Just browsing through the list, and am amused to see one of them is an ESOL (English for Speakers of Other Languages) teacher.

Loads of teachers on there, which is rather sad. I'm also surprised to see a psychotherapist there; I guess facists are in all sorts of occupations.

Many years ago I joined the SNP and feel no shame whatsoever. I would have no problem with a members' list being published as the SNP is not a racist, facist organisation and it's leaders are not criminals convicted of crimes such as gang rape, burglary, assault GBH, ABH etc etc.

Anyone who can say that these are people who should be in positions of power in this country are sorely lacking in reason and morals.

haha! well as a lapsed catholic i see they're just as barmy but i don't think they're actually dangerous. i don't think they've gone round burning people at the stake for a few centuries now. the bnp on the other hand are dangerous. the fact that they're legal is something of a red herring and has more to do with how skilled they are at hiding their real agenda and i personally believe the party should be banned (although i see how that would be playing into their hands to an extent).

it's all very well to get all morally relativistic about it but i can't think of a meaningful equivalent to the bnp in terms of mainstream political parties or religious groups. i believe there has to be a line in the sand, that racism is wrong and i believe people who are so committed to their racist views that they will pay money to join a racist party should be barred from frontline public service roles.

is anyone seriously suggesting the bnp are not a racist party? or that racism is acceptable? saying 'well they're legal' is avoiding the issue of what they actually stand for.

I am a catholic, feel free to post my details, I can;t remember the last time I threatened anyone or got a kid to post shit through people's letter box though.

Well Nick watsisname claims they're not racist.

They are of course, but formally they're not. They hide behind the "equal but different" bollocks, which can be presented as not racist if you're that way inclined.

I was not surprised to see one was an antiquities dealer.

I saw 3 bits of dog shit outside my house this morning and immediately wished I knew where the dog owners were so that I could post them back in through their letterboxes.

Then thought of the BNP and this thread.

I don't think I would post shit through someone's letterbox. But oh I am sorely tempted.

However despite reading the list I do think it was wrong. We have to treat all legal political parties equally. If we don't like what they stand for (and neither do I) it would be better to campaign for them to be banned rather than do something which, let's face it, encourages intimidation of members. The fact that the BNP might have used similar tactics in the past is, I'm afraid, neither here nor there.

It is tricky and I could wish they didn't exist. If we could only catch and lock away the ones who were actively racist (rather than just holding views) then what would be left would be more acceptable.

I suppose that's the point really. That holding the view isn't a crime (though surely very stupid), but that some (many?) use the party as a base of operations for assaults etc.

Ypu simply can't use the argument that some of those listed may only agree with a few things...that would like a socialist beoming a member of the tories because they liked a few things Cameron said about recycling.
If you are a fully paid up member of a political party then I think you can be said to agree with the fundementals of that party which in the case of the BNP includes

• repatriation of non whites including those of mixed race
• segregation by race
• a return of the death penalty
• denial of the full extent of the hollocaust

-denial of the full extent of the atrocities in the Balkans.

I am quite disturbed about the idea of not being allowed to participate in a legal political party for certain jobs. Either you make the party illegal or you accept that people have the right to work and belong to legal political parties.

But then you get the problem of racist teachers/ solicitors/ police officers abusing their powers. How do you monitor that? No easy answer, but the situation we have atm isn't great.

Hmm. Not sure that you have to believe in the basic tenets of a party to join up Litchick.

After all, Tony Blair appeared to believe not one founding principle of the Labour Party and look how far he got...

Littlebella I really want to agree with you, I do want freedom of speech but the thought of a member of the BNP teaching and either victimising or influencing kids makes my blood boil.

"mayorquimby, as the mother of two mixed race sons, it would bother me greatly if our doctor is a racist."

sorry i meant more doctors in local hospitals i.e. if you present at an a&e you have no choice in the matter who treats you. i understand absolutely why someone would objct to a bnp GP as that's a personal relationship.

twinset- that's fair enough if you have no problems with your details being published but 99% of people would.

if people want the bnp outlawed then formal legal channells should be pursued.by outlawing them by stealth it only reinforces their "we're the victim, pc gone mad" rhetoric that they role out to attract disillusioned white males.
while their arguments are simplistic and ill-informed they can be very powerful. for example when you can say as a political group that is arguing thast your race is being put upon something along the lines of "you can have a black police officers association but we are not allowed to be members of a legally recognised political group" that will hit home with a lot of people. so surely the thing to do would be to ban membership of any political group or support group that is race/gender/religion specific. because one could argue that a member of the green party would unfairly target drivers of SUV's for traffic offences.
i realise that these arguments are largely faceitious but they are the kind of arguments that bnp members will use to recruit. and also surely if you have a code of conduct/laws it should be applicable to everyone and not just people of a certain political persuasion.

not sure about prison officers but police are prohibited from joining any political party.

so the officer in question must be hard of thinking as well as morally dubious.

My details are fairly easy to get hold of to be honest.

I didn't know about police not being allowed to join a political party. I always declare my political membership.

You're right Watchtheworld - in the elections where the BNP have done well they have focussed on local issues such as housing policy and schools. For someone who has been on a waiting list for a council house for years it must push all the right buttons when someone points out that asylum seekers are being housed before you.
But of course that is not the whole story with the BNP is it?

Infact I think my address email and some details were on the web when I was active in my old town politically and in a previous town when I ran a group at church.

Watchtheworld the BNP were very successful in my old town as there was a huge underclass that felt ignored and unlistened to. The BNP took great delight in doing the listening.

Hmmm.

I agree with custy (obviously) that this is a democratic country and no matter how distasteful your views, you are entitled to have those views without fear of retribution.

However, knowing the vile hatred of members of the BNP I can't help feeling amused either.

I would say they have brought this entirely on themselves. However let's not bring ourselves down to their level. They hate people for the colour of their skin, their creed and their religion. So do not start hating them for their views. Because no matter what you call it, racism or bigotry, hatred is still hatred.

Leave them to it. Let's hope the members have to eat a huge dose of humble pie now and that the BNP numbers dwindle as a result. They now know the feeling of being targeted for their beliefs.

(Wondering how many Mumsnetters may be on that list)

Hell I'm in favour of that. I wouldn't actually vote for the BNP to get it, but then you never get a political party that you agree with totally. I suppose many people vote tory even though they despise most of their policies.

But if wanting capital punishment back is proof I'm evil you better publish my details too.