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BNP members list has been leaked.- and I just got it in my inbox!

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noonki · 18/11/2008 21:16

I just recieved an email containing all of the BNP members list, complete with phone numbers and address.

The story has been reported in the press online today:
here

Not sure what to do with it - teacher and a policewoman are on the list but kids are too.

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Rhubarb · 20/11/2008 16:11

Upwind, a group is just that. It's like belonging to the NCT, you could say that was discriminating against people who don't have kids.

A political organisation that holds extreme views is completely different.

MrsMattie · 20/11/2008 16:13

Upwind, what a ridiculous analogy to draw!

onager · 20/11/2008 16:18

erm presumably the white officers could have a white group if they wanted then?

Rhubarb · 20/11/2008 16:22

The reason you set up a group is because you feel you are in a minority and you need help and support from others in the same boat.

Like the NCT, Womens Guild etc etc. They are there to offer support. Being black and a policeofficer is likely to be a pretty tough call, so obv there is a group there for them to go to and share experiences with other black policemen.

There is probably a gay policemens group too - doesn't mean to say there should be a "straight" group. There are other support groups just for being a policeman.

Upwind · 20/11/2008 16:23

Rhubarb - would a white only organisation be acceptable then so long as it wasn't a political party?

I think not, and nor should it be.

Rhubarb · 20/11/2008 16:24

The BNP is a white only organisation and that is perfectly legal.

You may set up any group you wish, so long as you don't incite violence or hatred towards others. It's not illegal.

cestlavie · 20/11/2008 16:25

Upwind: I presume if the black police officers organisation was founded on, and constantly lobbied for, the premise that non-blacks should be obliged to leave the country forthwith, the police would have something different to say about the organisation.

And as to whether a non-political party of white police officers would be acceptable, well I guess it would need a very good reason - if they were able to show that there was institutional racism in the police towards white serving officers (hollow laugh) then presumably they'd have a case.

onager · 20/11/2008 16:26

Oh come on. That's dancing around something that ought to be faced squarely. The reason it's allowed even though it is discrimatory is because it was deemed necessary to combat the institutional racism already in the force. It may be needed, but it's silly to pretend it's 'right'. Hopefully one day soon it can be closed down and all police officers can be in one group - but not just yet.

Upwind · 20/11/2008 16:27

Would the NCT actually exclude those who wished to be members but had not themselves given birth?

AFAIK you cannot join the black police association if you are not black, even if you have an interest in stopping racism or want support in dealing with it.

Rhubarb · 20/11/2008 16:28

True onager, but I'm also explaining why setting up a group is different to setting up a political organisation. And you did say that a white-only group would not be tolerated. Yet they are, by being given the legal status.

Upwind · 20/11/2008 16:30

Agree with Onager. I was just thinking about those police officers being fired for being members of the BNP. There is a good argment that they should be fired for being part of a racist organisation - but I bet they will point out the black police association as a legitimate but inherently racist group.

Rhubarb · 20/11/2008 16:31

upwind, if you were not pregnant nor with child, then I think you're presence at NCT meetings would be frowned upon. I doubt very much they'd even let you be a member.

It would be nice if there was no need for support groups to stamp out racism, but there is.

I have tea to make now. Some of these analogies however are so hard to argue against because they are just so bloody awful!

Rhubarb · 20/11/2008 16:33

your

The black policemens group is there to support other black policemen, to share experiences. The BNP is there to kick out all non-British, non-white residents. They incite violence and hatred. Your analogy is beyond crapness.

onager · 20/11/2008 16:37

If by 'white only group' you mean the BNP then they are barely tolerated. As we have seen it's illegal to be a white police officer and join a whites only group (BNP), but legal and socially acceptable for a black police officer to join a black only group.

As I say I understand why they allowed the black federation, but we shouldn't think that it's perfectly ok to restrict by color if you're black and always evil if you're white. That kind of thing fuels the BNP.

onager · 20/11/2008 16:40

Saying "but this racially discrimatory group is ok because they have a good reason for it" almost makes it worse. If we face up to the fact that it's a bad thing, but allowed as a bodge to help sort out a problem and that may be acceptable.

Tortington · 20/11/2008 16:42

as a socialist, i think that this is the divide and conquer of the capilalist regime.

womens only
mens only
black
gay

how about - there is a document about how a person who - no matter what their race, relegoion, sex, gender, colour or ability will be treated the same.

oh yeah, all workplaces have them..they are called equality strategies.

am not sure why there has to be a black federation specifically

Ripeberry · 20/11/2008 17:11

I've been checking the list and thank goodness my neighbour is not on the list.#I always thought he might be BNP as he always has StGeorge flying outside his house and he keeps harping on about foreigners taking all the jobs.
No-one else around me is one..phew!

onager · 20/11/2008 17:57

Might be a good idea for people to check for their own address. Especially if they have moved in the last year or two. With that many addresses some must be out of date.

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noonki · 20/11/2008 18:37

NotFeelingNeighbourly - just done a search on your name, and this is the first thread you have posted on - interesting - thought it took a while to raise the fact that you are not white.

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noonki · 20/11/2008 18:49

Upwind - do you understand what racism means?

the Black officers assoc is not anti-white. It's objective is not to belittle white officers. It's aim is to assist non-white officers who are working within an organisation that has been found to be time and time again institutionally racist, against it's own workers as well as the public it serves.

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spokette · 20/11/2008 20:29

NFN could not argue her way out of a bottomless shredded paper bag.

Why do organisations like the Black Police Association exist? They exist to provide support and advice to the officers who belong to a minority group and who for years have been subjected to marginalisation, bullying and intimidation because they happen to be non-white. They do not exist to exact the same treatment that they have had to endure to whites and no doubt that once true equality is achieved in the police force, then the group will no longer be needed.

To compare the group to the BNP is abject lunacy and demonstrates narrow-minded thinking imho.

Using that ridiculous argument, one could call the Women's Institute sexist.

spokette · 20/11/2008 20:38

I'm black, my DH is white and our DTS are mixed race. DT1 has brown skin, brown eyes and brown hair. DT2 has blue eyes, fair hair and white skin. If you did not know DT2, you would think he is white.

The BNP dunces would not discriminate against DT2 if they did not know his background. They would discriminate against DT1 simply because his skin is brown.

Anybody who supports such an organisation is a cretinous buffoon of the highest order and deserves the contempt of all decent, fair-minded members of the human race who accept individuals on merit and not on the skin colour with which they were born.

I have already witnessed the subtle differences in treatment that the twins have been subjected to and neither DH and I intend to tolerate it.

Tyme · 20/11/2008 21:29

at NFN.
You're a bit screwed up. How on earth could a mixed race person married to a Muslim give the BNP any kind of support?

The last bit of literature I got through the door was horribly anti-Muslim.

I don't think they'd be welcoming you with open arms.

StealthPolarBear · 20/11/2008 22:20

I can't believe there are people on here defending ther BNP
But then I suppose given the number of MNers there must be some

guyFAwkesreQuiem · 21/11/2008 18:16

well - some of you may have seen that I posted earlier on the thread to say "oops there's a BNP activist living on the road that exH is about to move to".

Well get this for irony - thought I'd tell him (as he's been the victim of a racist attack in our town before now) just so he was on "alert" so to speak.

He is renting the BNP activists house!!! So obviously not too extremist in his views.............although he had apprently told exH that "he couldn't find the right people" to live there (supposed to be renting out individual rooms) - it's a very Asian area. exH has been "mistaken" for being English before now as his English is that clear/good (I was once asked where I came from as they assumed I was foreign and he was English). (well he did come 2nd in the Southern African Toastmasters Conference many years ago )

So I'm pontificating now - but I reckon that his landlord thinks he a black Englishman so is therefore "ok" (well you can't send a born and bred Englishman "back home" can you regardless of their colour) and that the people looking at the rooms have been either Asians, or Poles (lots of them here).