Baby P

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Hi, to make it easier for people who are finding this subject very distressing, we're going to keep all Baby P posts in one thread. If you'd like to discuss this subject, then here is the thread to do so. We'll go on the other threads and link to this one. Thanks very much.

I heard all last week about babyp and avoided all reports about this case and tbh didn't want to know iykiwm..dh phoned on friday night angered about what he had read and still I avoided the news (easy with 2 toddlers..) that was until yesterday's sunday paper . I couldn't stop myself and as I read the start I kept reading more.....

I couldn't read the whole story, I found it to distressing and upsetting and in fact felt physically sick.
I still don't know the full extent of what happened and tbh I don't want to. ds is around the age babyp would have been and I just can't understand it..........

I think his mothers and other should be named and I think all are at fault inc sw and gp's. ffs how could they not take this baby out of that awful situation..

Its made dh & I think seriously about fostering/adopting. We would love more lo's of our own (got dd 3.6yrs and ds 20 mths) but feel we want to go one step further iykiwm.
Awful...so awful..

So whereabouts exactly is all this talk of capital punishment and having something violent done to these offenders going to get us?

Absolutely nowhere.

Do something positive instead - donate to charities, help the Salvation Army with their toys for children Christmas appeal, become a social worker, foster a child.

It will achieve a lot more than ruminating about how to torture someone.

thanks.

Louie, before you continue any further with your spouting, how do you know that those who advocate capital,punisshment aren't doing or intend to do what you have mentioned?
The are tow entirely separate things. No matter what we do to help these children, their offenders need to be punished.

Mamadiva, on SGB's previous thread (before they were combined) you said this

"Onebat I really find it disrespectful that this boy died at the age of 17 months and you are pinning him as a child abuser. Im sorry I know you dont mean it in the sense but it pisses me right of when people say things like that. Someone said that to me the other day and then said so at least he wiont get the chance shock I'll tell you I could have killed her there and then."

I'm very sorry if that upset you. I was responding very specifically to Gateau's (to me, hideous) suggestion that the parents should be brutalized in prison, and trying to make the point that they too had very likely suffered from abuse as children.

I do believe that this is true for most abusive adults.

However, I absolutely do not believe that all abused children go on to be abusers. I realise that might have been the inferred from my post, and I apologize.

might have been inferred

One bat, how very dare you: I said NOTHING about parents being brutalized in prison. Get your facts rights before slating me.

Continuing from the "coping strategies" thread. I feel I am going mad because I feel utterly devastated and grief- stricken by what has happened. I just can't get it out of my mind and I keep crying and crying. I know nothing can bring little Peter back so there's no use in being so upset and I should channel it into something useful. But I keep dwelling on how he must have suffered. It is so comforting (I know this sounds odd) to know there are others out there who are going through similar. My DH thinks I am overreacting and no one I know wants to talk about it because it's so awful. Is the NSPCC the place to donate to try to stop these things happening? Do charities have any powers to change things - if the police and people within SS itself were overruled by more senior people within the Council? There must be a way of making things better. There must be something we, as a collective can do. I just feel so powerless and frustrated that that little boy was allowed to be murdered at the hands of those F*s.

They are being punished Gateau. They will go to prison.

Your passion for this is disturbing.

you said you'd 'happily do it' gateau, referring to doing violence on the parents... are you really splitting hairs about the location?

Your lack of justice is too.

some very good points were made on the other thread...i.e. about interproffessional working together...I think that is a major point, to keep the info together, and to make the info available to all those that are involved with teh case....and maybe trying to make the amount of people on any one case smaller...i.e. the same person sees the same child, etc...because that way you have ways to compare, don't you...although, I suppose sometimes the odd "new set of eyes" might also be helpful....as it is easy not to the woods for trees, as they say!

The other point made was, the kind of culture we live in...i.e. people not wanting to get involved, because they don't know the whole story....I suppose that is the sad truth

Gateau, what I am talking about here is practicalities.

Is anybody here likely to be responsible for the punishment delivered to these people? Are they likely to bring back capital punishment for crimes such as this?
Are they even likely to let people have five minutes in the same room as these offenders so they can be beaten to a pulp?

No.

So IMO, it is better to do something positive.

oh, and to those that didn't want to be involved about this thread....I thought once you pposted on it that you can't properly hide it anymore...i.e. it will still come up in threads I am on....so, why post?

to answer your question, fairlady, because it's only one thread with a fairly benign title, so it's not a problem to have it in active convos or threads i'm on.

With ref. to the anonymity of 2 of those convicted, I read recently that one of Baby P's sisters is also believed to have suffered abuse at their hands - could this be to avoid prejudice at a future trial?

And connie, yes, I am VERY passionate about bringing back corporal punishment. And as you'll see on all the threads here, not to mention radio programmes and newspapers, I'm not the only one by a long stretch of the imagination. If that disturbs you, then be disturbed.

oh right....but still doesn't really mkae sense if ya don't want to be involved???
IYKWIM....

tis no beef to me anyway...titles don't tend to bother me anyhow, and well...if I really wanted to get "rid" of a thread from threads I am on, personally I probably would just post on lots of threads, to make it "fall off"....!

"I feel I am going mad because I feel utterly devastated and grief- stricken by what has happened." Kellsmc- did you feel the same when Diana died perchance?

Gateau, I assume you mean capital punishment not corporal.

A smack on the hand with a ruler isn't much of a deterrent.

But then neither is hanging imo.

as for corporal punishment...etc...

I suppose the parents will probably be having a hard time in prison anyway....I am sure I read somewhere that Child abuser and killers are usually, even by fellow prisoners, are considered the lowest of the low and tend to be "free game"...

I suppose though, that sadly there is a history of abuse within families where things liek this happen....which is very sad....and if that is the case, then I do hope that the Parents will receive coucelling, too....

Oh FFS, please do not demean what happended to Baby by comparing to the outrageous hype after Diana died.
She was a not an innocent child who suffered sustained, grotesque abuse from the very people she trusted most in the world.

No, Bucharest, I didn't. Totally different situation.

People keep on confusing corporal and capital punishment - It makes it very hard to follow.

Gateau are you advocating the killing of these people, or just the beating?

I mean getting rid of this burden to society. Sorry, capital punishment. Corporal is what they uses in schools.